1061 Intervention from the King of Thailand
More importantly, domestic shipyards need to accumulate experience in the design and manufacture of aircraft carriers.
Judging from the current situation of the domestic navy's funding, in any case, it is impossible to set up a project to build an aircraft carrier right now, and at most it is only to carry out pre-research and demonstration work for aircraft carriers.
The big deal is the 404 investment, and the construction cost of such an aircraft carrier will be much lower than the selling price.
There is a project in, for the stimulation of the surrounding facilities, throwing hundreds of millions of dollars, will definitely not lose.
The money of the unit is also state.
If it is not invested in the military industrial system, can it be used to support other infrastructure projects?
If so, what else is necessary to invest in such a thing in the military-industrial system.
"Xie Kai, it's easy for Spaniards to make small moves. You have to be prepared to deal with it. The Thai military is ready to use both of you to suppress each other and reap the benefits of the fisherman......" Wang Hao saw Xie Kai's calm expression, as if he knew such a thing, and persuaded Xie Kai.
He didn't think about Xie Kai because he was doing it.
What I hope more is to get tens of millions of dollars in sales commissions.
If you can get a 3% commission, it is even better, at least three or four million dollars, and you can become a rich man all of a sudden.
In these years, there are not too many people in the world who can have a net worth of tens of millions of dollars.
In fact, Wang Hao is not sure whether he can really get this commission.
"It's all right, it's up to them. Xie Kai remained calm, and did not care at all that the Spaniards could snatch the order from them, unless the Spaniards could follow the model he had proposed.
Financial pressure alone, they can't solve.
"The Spaniards withdrew?" Hearing the news of the Spaniards, Bing Tinsula Nuan looked at the commander of the Ministry of Defense in front of him with an incredulous expression.
Chawalit Yongchaiyu nodded, his face a little serious, "They can't afford to pay all the construction costs, but they have reduced the cost of the aircraft carrier to $360 million. ”
"What about the $360 million convoy?"
It's just an aircraft carrier, it's useless.
If there are no carrier-based aircraft, no escort fleet, the aircraft carrier is a target, and it will not be able to undertake many tasks at all.
"The Spanish frigates are all manufactured under license from the United States, and the Perry class does not meet our needs, and the cost is relatively expensive. They also proposed a plan that can help us build an aircraft carrier of about 30,000 tons, and the overall price is similar to the price quoted by the Chinese side, or even slightly higher......" Chavali looked at the outgoing prime minister in front of him, and his thoughts were a little complicated.
The Spaniards have promised them a lot of benefits once the contract is signed.
But now it seems that this benefit is not so easy to obtain.
"They said that if they had to pay for the construction of the entire fleet, there would be no way for the cooperation to continue. Seeing that Bing Tinsuranon did not speak, Chavali added.
He still prefers Spain to help them build aircraft carriers.
It would be better to help the Spaniards build aircraft carriers, as before, and find someone to help them build frigates.
However, the Chinese also want to win their aircraft carrier construction project.
"Talk to the Chinese again, and then talk about it. Bing Tingsula pondered for a moment before speaking.
After Chawalit's departure, Bing Tinsuranon went to meet King Bhumibol Adulyadejd.
When it was proposed to allocate aircraft carriers to the navy, it was the king who first proposed it, otherwise the Thai Navy would not have had the idea of purchasing aircraft carriers at all.
His Majesty the King previously proposed to purchase aircraft carriers, not for defense reasons, but for sea rescue work.
As a beloved king at home, King Bhumibol did not want to spend too much on his military.
"Bing, what is the situation now? I heard that the Chinese shipyards are also coming? What about their frigates?" the king initially offered to purchase a fleet of frigates from China, and Bing Tinsulanon originally thought of using the Chinese shipyards to suppress the Spanish offer.
Even if it is only a 10,000-ton pocket aircraft carrier, 400 million US dollars is a very large amount of money for the Thai Navy.
"Your Majesty, I'm here to report this to you. China's Hudong shipyard not only wants to get orders for frigates from the Navy, but they also want to get orders for our aircraft carriers...... "Bing Tingsulanan reported on the matter.
As the most loyal subordinate to the king, this matter naturally depends on what His Majesty the king means.
"China's conditions are very good, and choosing to cooperate with them will reduce our financial pressure to a very low level, and it will not affect the construction and development of the air force and the army...... But they do not have experience in aircraft carrier construction. King Bhumibol was also entangled.
If Chinese shipbuilders had experience in building aircraft carriers, there would be basically nothing to worry about for them.
"Bing, what do the generals of the military think?" asked King Bhumibol, looking at his prime minister.
He did not first ask Bing Tingsulan what his attitude was, but first asked the generals of the Ministry of Defense and the Admiralty what their attitude was.
Even if the Ministry of Defense and the Admiralty have made a decision, and the king does not agree, it is difficult to do this.
Bing Tinsulanon refused to be re-elected, and his successor was naturally the one who reassured the former prime minister.
"Now they are divided into two factions, Chawali Yongchaiyu and Navy Commander Nariss Ongsuwan, because they are worried that the Chinese side has no experience in aircraft carrier construction, and they want the aircraft carrier to be built by the Spanish shipyard Bazin and the frigates purchased in China, and Chachai Chunhawang and Chief of Staff Shuntong Khlong Songpong feel that they can trust the Chinese shipyard and the aircraft carrier and the frigate fleet will be built with the help of ......Chinese," Bing Tingsulanon said.
Now the entire Thai military is divided into two factions.
So they can't make up their minds.
In particular, Chawalit Yongchaiyu, although he did not say it explicitly, Bing Tingsulanan understood his thoughts.
Otherwise, they would not have told Bing Tinsulan that the Spaniards would abandon their project if they had to pay for the construction in advance.
"Can't we find a balance between that? Or let the Spaniards cooperate with the Chinese? The Spaniards have the technology, and China really lacks experience in this area." Especially in terms of carrier-based aircraft...... "The king also understands the situation in China."
Although Thailand is an ally of the United States, its relations with China have always been friendly.
China's frigates are indeed quite in line with the needs of the Thai Navy, and the cost performance is relatively high.
"The plans put forward by the Chinese are all based on the fact that they have obtained orders for aircraft carriers. If we had given the order for aircraft carriers to the Spaniards, the convoy would not have been able to use the amortization method that they had proposed. This means that before the aircraft carrier is delivered, we must prepare hundreds of millions of dollars to purchase frigates and supply ships......" Bing Tingsula Nuan smiled wryly and shook his head.
The Chinese simply did not want to cooperate with the Spaniards.
And the Spaniards will not agree to provide technical support to the Chinese, everyone knows that once the Chinese acquire the technology, then they will eventually become the biggest enemy of the already sluggish shipyards in Spain.
The ability of the Chinese to learn, whether it was the mighty Soviet Union or the United States, was terrifying.
Otherwise, on the list of the Batumi embargo, the Western world has more than 700 pages more than the Soviet Union embargoed technology against China?
King Bhumibol also knew what Bing Tinsura meant.
"What do you think?"
"I think we should choose Chinese to help us build aircraft carriers, although Chinese have no experience in building aircraft carriers, they don't have any experience in aircraft carriers, and China has been engaged in aircraft carrier research since the 60s...... If it weren't for China's reform and opening up, everything would have made way for the economic infrastructure, and their aircraft carriers would have been commissioned by now......," Bing Tingsulanon said.
There is a little selfishness in this.
Wang Hao told him that if China got this order, he could get tens of millions of commissions.
This is the current standard of the Chinese military-industrial system.
Bing Tingsula Nuan does not want his daughter to have a bad life in the future.
Therefore, in front of the king, he introduced the 707 project that China has already launched, and even said that China is currently opening a training course for aircraft carrier captains.
The news of China's aircraft carrier captain training course is not particularly secretive.
"Their aircraft carrier was dismounted. King Bhumibol frowned and looked at his most trusted men.
"It is precisely because of the dismount that the Chinese put forward such conditions. They have little profit to speak of, and may even lose money...... Because of the problem of funding, the vast territory of the Chinese Navy, the huge army, and the great pressure on national defense, it is impossible for the Chinese Navy to set up a project to build an aircraft carrier...... Their purpose is to help us build aircraft carriers to demonstrate their aircraft carrier design and accumulate technical experience...... That's why I think Chinese shipbuilders can be chosen to help build aircraft carriers for the Navy. The risks are high, and at the same time, the benefits are also high. ”
Bing Tingsula Nuan said.
That's exactly what he thinks.
It is true that the Chinese are not as good as the Spaniards in terms of construction experience, but the Spaniards have many places that cannot be compared with China, and relatively speaking, China has a greater advantage because they have a full set of industrial facilities.
Even if the technology is poor at first, it is not a problem.
Anyway, it is impossible for Chinese shipbuilders to deliver a problematic aircraft carrier.
"This looks good, but what if China can't deliver it on time, or if it causes a lot of problems after delivery......," the king worried.
The aircraft carriers of the Chinese really do not have any advantages to speak of.
"No, if that's the case, we can refuse to pay and even ask European and American shipyards to help improve ......," Bing Tingsulanong said.
He wasn't really worried about that.
The Chinese did not have any basic research on the atomic bomb, and it took just over four years to succeed, and after the successful research of the atomic bomb, the hydrogen bomb exploded for the world to see in just over two years.
The Chinese have never done things that they are not sure of.
"And they promised to deliver within seven years...... Your Majesty, we were going to deploy aircraft carriers at the beginning, just for the purpose of sea rescue and to have a naval forward base in times of war...... If it's just a helicopter carrier, Chinese deliver ...... in five years"
China's plan, Bing Tinsula Nun presented in detail to His Majesty King Bhumibol.
Unlike the Spaniards' plan, the Chinese plan has too many advantages.
Even if the Thai Navy procures aircraft carriers or even fleets, it will not affect national defense construction.
"Even, the Chinese side can provide carrier-based aircraft ......"
China's plan, both public and private, Bing Tingsu Ranan felt that he could not refuse.
Carrier-based aircraft, until now, the military has not thought about it at all.
The king was silent for a long time, and did not directly agree, but summoned the relevant officials of the Ministry of Defense and the Admiralty to fully listen to everyone's opinions.
The advantage of the Spaniards is that they have a lot of experience in building light aircraft carriers, and the price is relatively cheap, while China does not have the advantage of allowing the Thai Navy's aircraft carrier fleet to play a greater operational role, not just for disaster relief or something.
"Your Majesty, although we have to pay about $300 million more for the Chinese aircraft carrier program, this money is not a one-time payment, but it can make our aircraft carriers have stronger combat performance and enhance our ......influence in the entire region," Shuntong Khon Songpong said excitedly.
As chief of staff, he naturally hopes that their navy, army, and air force will have the most powerful combat effectiveness in the world.
Thailand is too small to build on its own.
There is no way to make a greater impact on the world stage, but in this region of Southeast Asia, they cannot afford not to pay attention to it.
Especially the Vietnamese put too much pressure on them.
"Your Majesty, the Vietnamese have the support of the Soviet fleet, and they themselves are preparing to vigorously develop the navy. If we want to guard against their aggression, we have only two ways, either agree to the United States to lease the naval base and they send a fleet, or we can only increase the strength of our navy and let the Vietnamese consider whether they can bear the consequences if they provoke us! At present, China's plan is just right for us...... With that kind of aircraft carrier, naval strength, we are the strongest ...... in the entire Southeast Asian region," Chachai Chunhawang said the reason why they could not refuse China's proposal.
There is no need to compare the problem of funding.
The Spaniards demanded that most of the cost be paid before construction could begin.
Although everyone knows that this is the case in international practice, even if the other party finally refuses to deliver for various reasons, the money will definitely not be returned.
Chawalit Yongchaiyu and Navy Commander Naris Onsuwan also want the Navy to have more powerful aircraft carriers.
But the Chinese side ......
"Definitely not a problem. We can wait until we see the full design drawings before signing the contract!" Xie Kai did not hesitate to respond to the Thai military's concerns.
The original 707 project design drawings also had to make a lot of changes.
After all, the Thai Navy does not have high requirements for aircraft carriers, especially speed or something, and the power system used by the 052 warship can basically be used, but it only needs to use two sets.
"How long is the aircraft carrier blueprint?"
"Half a year at most! Originally, we had ready-made ones, but if they were manufactured according to that technical standard, the cost would go up a lot...... Xie Kai said.
The Thai Navy's order, so far, seems to have basically been completed.
"This is our detailed plan, you can take a look at it first, if there is any problem, we will communicate. Xie Kai handed the plan he had written in the hotel these days to the Thai military.