"When did you meddle in the field of warship manufacturing again?" Shen Lao looked at Xie Kai with some disbelief, "Now that all units are engaged in specialization, it's better for you to come the other way around, and have enough capital and technical strength?"

There was even some dissatisfaction in his tone.

At present, the domestic units are still the same kind of thinking as before, seeking to be big and perfect, rather than focusing on the improvement of specialized technical fields.

404 has a lot of potential, no matter what field it is engaged in, because it has a lot of money and military logistics system support, the speed will be very fast.

Originally, it only involved the field of army equipment and aviation manufacturing, but now when did it get involved in warships again?

"Shen Lao, we didn't want to do it at first, building warships is too expensive, and the requirements for the industrial base are high. But you also know the current situation of the military industrial system, the country makes the army endure and wait, and a large number of military industrial units go bankrupt and turn to ......," Xie Kai said with a bitter face.

He thought that Shen Lao knew that they 404 had set foot in the field of warship manufacturing.

Hudong Shipyard, that was assigned to 404 by the military, and 404 really didn't intend to receive it at first, especially Xie Kai, who knew that naval equipment was more powerful than air force equipment.

But later, it was also for the basic supporting facilities to catch up, and there were a lot of orders inadvertently.

"Your funds are too scattered, concentrated in one field, you can make very good results, and drive the development of related fields......" Shen Lao sighed.

He has been in charge of the country's industrial sector for so many years, and he knows the country's industrial base best.

It is impossible for any single unit to support the development of the entire national industrial system.

Everyone knows this truth, but the leaders of various units, as long as they have the opportunity, will desperately expand their business scope, and this will lead to the dispersion of forces, and it will also make the domestic duplication of construction serious, otherwise the state will not carry out macroeconomic regulation and control because of the overheating of the economy.

"We're also helpless......" Xie Kai knew what Shen Lao meant.

Shen Lao is not unclear.

At present, military spending is being cut every year, and there is almost only one minimum expenditure for the army, and it is not enough to buy new equipment or anything. If there is less additional equipment, where will the funds for scientific research units and production units come from?

If we want to survive, we must turn from the field of military production to the field of design and manufacturing of civilian products.

From the beginning of reform and opening up to the present, less than one-third of the military factories and supporting factories under the national military industrial system have been retained, and only some of the most core military factories have been retained.

With fewer orders, these units are not having a good time.

We can only rely on strong technical strength to develop civilian products and pursue survival.

"It's not that I don't help you, your unit is engaged in a national linkage technology research, which is different from the state. If there is a problem with funding, or if the research progress of a particular unit is slow, it will affect the entire project. Shen Lao thought about it for a moment and said to Xie Kai very seriously.

This is the first time he has told Xie Kai exactly why he is unwilling to help 404 preside over the core machine project.

"Elder Shen, don't worry about this, there will be no problems with funds. Among all the units in the country, it is estimated that except for the Ministry of Finance, there is no one who has more money than us......" Xie Kai was a little braggartic.

The four major banks have been divided into the Ministry of Finance system by him.

There is indeed no unit in the country that is stronger than their financial strength.

"It's not a question of how much money you have, it's right that you have a lot of money, and everyone who knows your unit knows it. The key is how much you can put into the project. So far, as far as I know, some projects have started to consume a lot of money, such as your Y-10, Super -7B, and the flying shield system with stronger defense capabilities...... Now the ...... of warships has also been added," Shen Lao pointed out the problem of the current 404.

There is a lot of money in the small treasury, and similarly, there are many places to spend money in the 404 subordinate units.

What's more, it is still engaged in construction.

Even if these projects are successful, it will be difficult to recoup the investment in the short term, which will require more funds.

For a while, Xie Kai couldn't answer Shen Lao's words.

He didn't dare to guarantee how much money 404 could mobilize.

In the past, the state was engaged in tackling key technological problems, directly issuing tasks, and the central government guaranteed special funds, so it never worried about the problem of funding.

Now the central government has to ensure the economic infrastructure, once the 404 project is launched, it is good to say that it has a bright prospect after success, whether it is the development of gas turbines according to the core engine, or aero engines, or large gas turbines or something, it is not a problem.

But failed?

The consequences are unimaginable.

All projects in the entire 404 will be affected by the rupture of the capital chain.

Seeing that Xie Kai was silent, Shen Lao continued to speak, "High temperature, high pressure, and high pneumatic mechanical load are the core things of the core machine. Materials, specialized laboratories, and even R&D technical documentation, we have not been systematic, and we have not done pre-research work in this area before...... Although the development of the core machine has great benefits, the current technical foundation of our country, you know better than anyone else, this requires far more funds than abroad. ”

If you want to build the core engine of the engine, you must start with the components.

Each component is designed first, verified separately, and tested the working conditions and various characteristics under harsh working conditions such as high temperature and high pressure.

As a result, the project team had to invest in basic materials, etc.

The material comes out, and if there are no processing conditions, it is necessary to continue to develop processing equipment, which also requires them to invest money.

The United States and the Soviet Union did not have these problems, because their manufacturing systems were developed step by step, and China would either follow their path, study step by step, accumulate experience, and make breakthroughs slowly, or spend money and smash the entire system.

404 wants to engage in core machines, which is to choose the latter path.

The amount of money it needs to spend is beyond imagination.

"The industrial sector has also studied this problem, and once it is done, it can improve the industrial strength of the entire country a lot. But you have to understand that the state sector is not thinking about the same direction as you, and the national industrial system is too large and needs money everywhere to develop, and there is not much money to mobilize to support you. ”

What Shen Lao said was also showing Xie Kai that they were not idle.

Even the Ministry of Industry did not sit idly by.

I want to help, but I don't have any money.

How can it be?

It is difficult for a good woman to cook without rice, and what the country wants to do, it will not work without money.

You can't keep printing money out, can you?

"You go back first, convey my thoughts to Director Zheng and them, and then you can see how much money can be mobilized for this project, and then we will talk." Shen Lao said.

After Shen Lao said this, he looked tired.

Although Xie Kai did not receive an answer this time, he also understood a lot of questions.

It's not as simple as they think.

By now, 404 has reached a threshold.

To do it, the funds needed are not a small amount, and the supporting facilities of this project may consume billions or even tens of billions in just three or five years, otherwise, they can only wait.

Waiting for the package to be done.

"Is that what Elder Shen really said?" Originally, Zheng Yucheng was confused at first when they went and returned to Xie Kai, but seeing that this kid was rarely serious, he hurriedly convened a meeting of the people of the management committee according to his request.

After listening to this, his expression also became serious.

"How much money do we have?" Wang Guilin asked Yang Qian directly.

How much money is in the small treasury determines whether they can carry out this project or not.

If not, then you have to take your time, and then warships will continue to throw money, fighters will continue to throw money, and the Y-10 will also have to throw money......

"16.8 billion, of which 1.4 billion is the research funds that need to be paid to various cooperative units and our subordinate units before ......the end of the year," Yang Qian memorized the money in their accounts.

"So much?"

"That's it?"

Obviously, the perception of money is different between 404 people and Xie Kai.

"Is this less?" Yang Qian despised Xie Kai a little, "If it weren't for the previous batch of oil settled in US dollars, we wouldn't have converted it into RMB with the bank, and we wouldn't have it so much." We have to pay a part to the superiors each time, as well as the cost, as well as the dividends of other cooperative units...... It's not easy to have so much, and the profit in a year is almost two billion!"

Such a large sum of money, to say less!

This is also due to the depreciation of the renminbi against the dollar.

This year it's already 1:3.8.

"It's too little ......"

"Nationwide, except for banks, there is no unit that has our money!" Zheng Yucheng was a little unhappy with Xie Kai.

Tens of billions of funds, but they still say that there is no money.

"How much money does Song Yanjin have over there?" Xie Kai asked.

If 404 only has about 15 billion available funds in its hands, and puts aside the funds that other projects need to use in the next few years, they will definitely not use more than 5 billion.

You must know that when Xie Kai was in the U.S. stock market crash, he went long and short, and directly made 2 billion US dollars, 404 is such a huge unit, thousands of tanks were sold, thousands of missiles were sold, and warships and fighters were sold, so much money......

"It's less than $500 million, and most of it is real estate in Japan. Wang Guilin said, "The money can't be mobilized in a short period of time." ”

"How much money can we call up?"

"Minister Shen didn't say how much it wanted? This matter, it's not just us who get benefits, how can the Ministry of Industry get some blood?" Bai Yanjun was also a little dissatisfied with the Ministry of Industry's behavior of not paying money.

Not only did they not pay for it, but they also shared the funds from them.

"I didn't say it. He only said that if we determine how much money we can transfer, we will go to him. According to my thoughts, this amount will not be small, otherwise his old man would not have rejected us all the time. Xie Kai said with a sad face.

"How much can we squeeze out?"

"If the pre-research of the aircraft carrier is stopped, the pre-research work of the 10,000-ton drive is also stopped, and the pre-research project of the stealth fighter is canceled, we can give 8 billion. Yang Qian put a palm-sized abacus on the conference table, crackled and counted it in front of everyone, and then said.

"No, these can't be canceled......" Xie Kai was the first to jump up and object.

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