1030 Cooperate with the Argentine Navy to engage in aircraft carriers and frigates?
"4,000 tons? Mr. Wang, are you kidding? How much is the design tonnage of 052?" Zheng Yucheng was angry.
No matter what, you can't do this, right?
Now the full load displacement of 053H2 is only 2100 tons, and even the improved 053H2G has a full load displacement of only 2250 tons, which is currently under construction.
All at once from 2250 tons to 4000 tons of full load displacement, this is a joke.
There is simply no such technical ability.
"No kidding. The full load displacement of the 052 design is only 4,200 tons, but on this project, the loading of ground-attack missiles is not considered...... "Wang Hengyuan was looking for an opportunity, and now the opportunity to send it to the door will naturally not be missed."
If the 053 really reaches such a tonnage, it will no longer be a simple frigate.
It's just that from the current tonnage to 4,000 tons, the displacement will almost double, and the technical difficulty required will definitely not be too small.
Xie Kai was dumbfounded when he heard it next to him.
It is no wonder that after entering the 21st century, Hudong Shipyard built a new frigate with a full load displacement of 3,900 tons, and even the Type 054A missile frigate when the Navy was reequipped later, with a full load displacement of 4,200 tons......
Damn.
At present, the technical difficulty of building the 052 missile destroyer in China is too great to be unnecessary, and a lot of technical equipment is still ready to be imported from the world.
Although, when the 054A has been developed to a full load displacement of 4200 tons, the 052D has been equipped with the navy, and the displacement has reached the level of 7500 tons.
But at that time, the domestic technical system had been fully upgraded, and it was the result of decades of technology accumulation.
Now that it's so big, can it be technically supported?
Xie Kai still didn't believe it.
"Mr. Wang, although the lengthening and widening of these warships in front of you seems simple, but the displacement has doubled, is it too aggressive? Can our technical reserves support it?" Xie Kai asked solemnly.
If there is technology, it can be designed, and the difficulty of building it is not too great, and he really hopes that it can be built now.
The Navy needs large warships.
The bigger the tonnage, the better.
The large tonnage and sufficient space allow for the installation of more weapons, while also increasing the endurance, which allows the range of activities of the Navy to increase.
It is also needed not to go to the Pacific Ocean to bathe, but just to take care of the family and nursing home in the small pond of the South China Sea.
Now the Navy relies on old-fashioned and backward warships like 051 to carry the banner.
But the problem is that the Navy's warships can not only increase the length and width a little, but also build more powerful and advanced warships.
How to solve the powertrain?
After adding some length, what about the structural strength of the hull?
When the space is large, how to solve the arrangement of weapons and equipment, the arrangement of various radars?
Even in the 052 project, many power systems, electronic systems, weapon systems, etc., are from Western countries.
Until now, there is no domestic experience in building advanced destroyers and frigates.
If so, wouldn't the Navy want to equip warships with greater tonnage and more firepower?
"There is no big problem with the design, don't we want to make technical reserves for the 055 of the 10,000-ton drive? Anyway, the 055 project is doing pre-research, and we can demonstrate some technical ...... on such a project" Wang Hengyuan said with some embarrassment, "Some of the technologies of the 052 project can be imported from abroad, and our new frigates can also be introduced, or shared with the 052 project, which can also dilute the scientific research funds." ”
This kind of thinking is unacceptable.
Xie Kai was even more dissatisfied when he heard the words of diluting the funds.
Is it Qi Zhiyuan's meaning or is it that the people at Hudong Shipyard are not satisfied with just building small warships and want to make warships of larger tonnage?
Looking at Zheng Yucheng, Zheng Yucheng's eyes were looking back and forth between Qi Zhiyuan and Li Qingmin not far away, obviously the old guy didn't know either.
"Mr. Wang, this is a very good idea, dilute the research funding, which is what all teams want to do. But have you ever thought about it, once we carry out this project, even if we can dilute the scientific research funds, how much investment do we need? The aircraft carrier project is in pre-research, the 0.55 million ton drive is in pre-research, and the dock of the Hudong Shipyard will be expanded, so that it can manufacture merchant ships of larger tonnage...... Xie Kai asked dissatisfiedly.
Wang Hengyuan couldn't answer for a while.
Everyone knows about such a situation.
This requires a lot of money.
"We now don't just need to spend money on warships, but also fighter projects and other projects. Zheng Yucheng also spoke.
There was something unkind in the tone.
Qi Zhiyuan hurriedly said, "At the beginning, the design did not require too much money, and many technologies were derived from the technology of 0.55 million tons of large drives." As long as you engage in such a project, you can prompt the supporting facilities to keep up. ”
"Supporting to keep up?, we will invest money to match?" Zheng Yucheng immediately asked Qi Zhiyuan.
Here, in front of Li Qingmin and others, he didn't give any face.
The entire 404 stall is too big, almost involving land, sea and air, any project is a huge gold-swallowing monster, if the capital chain is broken, it will seriously affect all the projects of the entire unit.
"Under the current circumstances, the 701 project on the 052 side has not yet been clearly started construction, there are many domestic shipyards, and everyone is waiting for the production plan. Now that we have project autonomy, we can help out when we can. The warships of the navy are too backward...... "Qi Zhiyuan also understands the current situation of the base.
The research and development of naval equipment is very different from that of aviation.
Naval armament is entirely about all industrial systems of the country as a whole.
"What do you think about the navy?" Xie Kai asked angrily.
If I knew earlier, I wouldn't have wanted Hudong Shipyard.
He originally thought that he could slowly drive the development of other supporting units in the shipbuilding industry by producing ships, but these people were not satisfied with such a slow speed.
Everyone is in a hurry.
It is simply impossible to develop rapidly without adequate funding, and even if there is sufficient funding, it will take a long time.
There is not enough technology accumulation in China.
"No, our thoughts. 053 such a frigate, for the navies of some countries, the tonnage is a little too small. The Argentine military came to our side to inspect before, and they disliked that the tonnage was too small. Qi Zhiyuan explained the reason.
Although the Argentine Navy is lagging behind, the number of large-tonnage warships is not small.
This is a naval force with aircraft carriers and cruisers, and the main warships are more advanced than the Chinese Navy.
The Germans have just delivered four Admiral-class frigates to Argentina, so how could they possibly seek to purchase warships from China?
"It's true. The Argentine Navy is actually worse off than us, and they want to build up their own warship development and production capacity. We have well-established industrial capabilities, and they have a wealth of experience in naval command and the use of advanced warships......" Qi Zhiyuan said without believing them.
Argentina is a regional power in South America, and its industrial system is also somewhat different.
However, Xie Kai does not think that Argentina has the ability to support such a development of the navy, especially the economy, which cannot be supported at all.
How is it possible to cooperate with China to burn money together?
"The Argentine Navy plans to carry out a large-scale modification of their aircraft carrier Mayflower, including power, electricity, three defenses, damage management system, flight deck and bridge, and plans to replace the steam turbine with a gas turbine, and the catapult will also be replaced with a new steam catapult...... If we can participate in them, it will be very beneficial for our aircraft carrier program. Wang Hengyuan also explained.
That's why they wanted to work with the Argentine Navy, and in the course of previous contacts, both sides had that will.
When Xie Kai heard this, he was a little surprised.
Argentina's aircraft carrier Mayflower, a British-built "Giant" class aircraft carrier during World War II, was sold to the Dutch in 1948, and the Dutch used it for 20 years before changing hands and selling it to the Argentines in 1968.
The Argentines have made some modifications to the aircraft carrier, mainly to increase the area of the first class and lengthen the catapult, so that the super flag of the Argentine Navy can be used on the aircraft carrier.
In the Battle of the Falklands Islands in 82, the Mayflower, which was carrying the American-made A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft and the French Super Flag attack aircraft, was unable to let the A-4 attack aircraft loaded with ammunition fly into the sky because of the lack of wind in its location, even if the speed of the aircraft carrier was increased to a maximum speed of 25 knots, and finally the A-4 attack aircraft loaded with ammunition could not be allowed to fly into the sky, thus allowing the British fleet to escape a catastrophe.
The Argentine Navy has aircraft carriers and 10,000-ton cruisers, but it lacks frigates to match aircraft carriers, especially sea and air anti-submarine frigates.
Xie Kai knows this.
It is also clear that the Argentine aircraft carrier did not complete the modernization and upgrading in the end, and until the end of 92, the Argentine Navy only dismantled the part that needed to be refitted, and by 93 it was permanently decommissioned.
"After Argentina lost the cruiser General Belgrano, their naval power lagged even further behind Brazil. The four frigates provided by the Germans also benefited from the fact that they had ordered them before, and now Argentina has a difficult time getting weapons and equipment support from Western countries because of its relationship with Britain. And the Niteroi-class frigates equipped by the Brazilian Navy have a full load displacement of 3,700 tons, and more importantly, the Brazilians have built these frigates themselves......"
"......" For a while, Xie Kai had nothing to say.
In such a situation, it is impossible for the Argentine Navy to have no mind.
When they bought aircraft carriers, it was because the Brazilians bought aircraft carriers in 60 years and suddenly became the most powerful country in South America......
Zheng Yucheng's face was also full of heaviness, and Qi Zhiyuan kept making eyes on the side.
"Let's talk about this matter later, for now, let's talk about the problem of the 053H3 ship first. At present, the internal structure has been built, and it is not an easy task to modify it according to the requirements of the Saudi military. It is okay to improve the living conditions of the officers, but if the living conditions of the soldiers are to be improved, it is necessary to reduce the number of operators. Qi Zhiyuan saw that Xie Kai and Zheng Yucheng's expressions eased, and quickly changed the topic.
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