899 You can't put your own eggs in someone else's basket
"The fighter has nothing to say, it can't be done. Xie Kai shook his head directly, "Unless we have more advanced fighters." ”
"Don't rush to conclusions, the Super -7 team and the people from 611 will come over in the afternoon, and we'll talk about it when the time comes. Zheng Yu Cheng saw that he successfully changed the topic, and he secretly breathed a sigh of relief in his heart.
It doesn't matter whether you talk about fighters or not, the important thing is to let Xie Kai stop dwelling on this matter all the time.
"What is the Super-7 team doing here?" Xie Kai was puzzled, "Isn't it more suitable to be over there in Rongcheng?"
"In the future, our side will also be set up as a test flight base. ”
Zheng Yucheng explained the matter briefly, as before, the old guy didn't want to put the things of his unit on someone else's territory.
Since the construction of the airport, the base has been under large-scale construction, before there were many scientific research units in it, a lot of empty houses, now if you want to build 404 into a scientific research base, which is all research and development of the most cutting-edge military science and technology in China, it is necessary to move these core research teams back.
"708 moved back too?"
"After the National Day, it moved back in full swing, and now it has begun to mobilize wagons. Wang Guilin nodded, after all, it was very clear from the beginning that the large aircraft team would be placed in the base of 404. "The research team is back, and the manufacturing and experimentation are over there. Anyway, now the plane can't be sold, and we can't stop flying, and there are airports at both ends, which is a lot more convenient. ”
Although Qin Fei is good, it is not his own territory after all.
Xie Kai wanted to say that in Qin Fei, the design and production are closer, so that any problems found can be solved immediately, but in the end he didn't say it.
With Zheng Yucheng's character, they will definitely not put their design team in other units for a long time.
"It's still under construction next to the airport, and the mountain over there is about to be hollowed out, so you shouldn't just want to make drones here, right?" Xie Kai asked Zheng Yucheng, "What about the 65,000-ton press?"
"It's not a good thing that we built all our experimental machines for them. Zheng Yucheng said, "Although the technology belongs to the state, you can't let others get it without paying anything, right?"
Xie Kai understands this.
The previous CNC system was like this, other units did not give money at all, or the competent department above gave money 404 to give technology to other units, but so what?
The units that have acquired the technology do not seriously develop new technologies on this basis, but go all out to buy the system, and make a slight modification to become their product.
"So far, whether it is a military transport aircraft or an early warning aircraft, it will enter the prototype production stage, and the outsourcing unit will help produce spare parts, and we will assemble it ourselves. Some of the high-precision requirements were originally made by our side. Zheng Yucheng did not hide Xie Kai.
They are just in case the units that cooperate with 404 will ask for sky-high prices.
Fighters are not civilian products, and many units can be found to produce them.
In addition, Zheng Yucheng and the idea of their generation is to build a whole factory, from large airplanes and warships to small buttons and sewing needles.
"It's just trial production, but it doesn't matter. We can control the R&D and R&D progress of materials......" Xie Kai did not refute.
You can't make a wedding dress for another unit.
At that time, the superiors said that you are only a scientific research unit, and you have no production capacity in the first place, so you should assign it to a brother unit.
All this effort has been in vain.
With so many graduates coming in, Zheng Yucheng and them are obviously trying to speed up the speed of building this side into a scientific research city.
"The big press is put in Jiayuguan, and it is convenient to support everything over there. Wang Guilin said, "After all, the trial production is here, heat treatment, casting, powder metallurgy, etc., there are supporting units with us, and the infrastructure has already started." ”
"Our eggs can't be put in someone else's basket, right?" Zheng Yucheng smiled.
Xie Kai was in the base before, and he didn't pay attention to these things all day long, Zheng Yucheng and they didn't have a chance to tell him if they wanted to, and now they took the opportunity to tell Xie Kai some information.
Otherwise, when the time comes, Zheng Yucheng and the others will really retreat, and Xie Kai's eyes will be black.
Regarding the trial production of fighters left here, the large press was placed in Jiayuguan, and a base was built in Jiayuguan to provide rough processing and non-core technology products for 404, and at the same time, the relevant technologies of 404 were derived and converted to the civilian field, which was the development tone set by the base in the first two years.
"What's going on with the construction machinery factory over there?"
Daddy Xie Jianguo is mainly responsible for the construction of Jiayuguan, although he said that he wants to come back to engage in technical research, to this extent, he can't hand over the work to others so easily.
Xie Kai rarely saw his father when he came back, and he didn't run to disturb his father.
"In a few days, on National Day, the first excavator will roll off the assembly line. A gift to the motherland. Zheng Yucheng smiled.
Before the production of excavators, it was in Hongqi Machinery Factory.
Now all the work of Hongqi Machinery Factory is piled up, all kinds of high-precision parts processing, rough machining or something has to be done, and the assembly workshop has to be used to assemble excavators.
Xie Kai thought it was a good idea.
After chatting for a while, Bai Yanjun and others also came over.
"You guys are busy, I'll go first. "Xie Kai doesn't want to have a useless meeting with these old guys, and now the superiors are asking them to give a face to the domestic aviation manufacturing field, if they can't get something, what else can they look like?
"No, they came here just because you came back. When you go out this time, do you have anything to say?" Wang Guilin looked at Xie Kai secretly with a smile.
Xie Kai turned his head to look at Mo Qi, who had never spoken, and he couldn't say at this time that they had understood through Mo Qi.
"We do know all about the itinerary or something, but there are some things that we have to listen to your thoughts. Zheng Yucheng did not hide that they knew through Mo Qi who Xie Kai met every day and who he talked to, before Xie Kai agreed to Mo Qi to follow him, which meant that he agreed. "What you talked to Sir Pao, the owner of the Globe Shipping Company, is he really ready to enter the air transport market?"
Xie Kai was speechless.
He did think that way.
It's just casually mentioned that air transportation is not sea transportation.
"I hope he is willing, and if he does, at least he can sell him a few planes!" Xie Kai said, "but he didn't say anything, and he didn't leave any contact information." ”
"It's asking about it. ”
After Xie Kai separated from the shipowner, the strategic team of the shipking company carefully analyzed the aviation market and felt that they could really engage in air transportation.
But in the international aviation market, the competition is fierce, and the rest is the cargo market, and the planes of the major airlines will transport some goods when transporting people.
The rest is the aviation market in Chinese mainland, which is almost blank and has great development prospects.
Whether to engage in an air transport system, the team of Global Shipping has to inspect the domestic market, and at the same time, it has to understand the situation of Yun-10 in detail.
"So, do they have this intention?" Xie Kai really didn't expect that with just a casual mention, he would be able to find an intended customer for Yun Shi.
"Yes, but I don't know the specific situation, and you won't come back before urging you. Zheng Yucheng complained.
"Isn't the one that Yunshixin is still being made? "If the round-the-world voyage is really ready to enter the aviation industry, even if Bao Yugang is patriotic, for the development of the company, it is impossible to order all the Yunten.
The main aircraft will be Boeing or Airbus aircraft.
Using Boeing and Airbus planes to develop China's aviation industry is not a good thing for Yunshi.
There is no reason why domestic civil aviation is imported from Europe and the United States, and then patriotic Hong Kong businessmen come back to engage in aviation, so they let him use domestic aircraft.
Xie Kai really didn't care so much about this.
"That's what I think about Yun Ten now. Rather than competing with many models of civil airliners in the world, which have already gained a large market, it is better to take the two routes of business aircraft and military first. Xie Kai has also thought about it these days.
Everyone looked at Xie Kai and didn't understand why he had such an idea again.
"When a new one comes out, we will apply for an airworthiness license from the Civil Aviation Administration. If we don't look for a market, we will rely on ourselves to support it?" Wang Guilin frowned and asked Xie Kai.
Now there is indeed a lot of funding, but the problem is that there are also many projects, and all projects are the further they go, the more money is spent.
Just to put the Flying Shield-359 system on the 053 ship, it cost more than 20 million.
And that's just making do.
Xie Kai opened his mouth to explain that if the ten are shipped out, they will face competition with McDonnell Douglas in China, and that there will be more competing models for export.
Rather than this, it is better to take the route of business jets first and continue to introduce American engines.
If the Yun-10 is to be competitive enough, it must wait until the domestic engine catches up.
Otherwise, the United States will be stuck in the neck and will not sell engines, and there will be no delivery of orders at that time.
What are you going to do with a plane that can't fly?
"Even so, it won't affect too much, isn't the turbofan-8 already successful?"
"What about the service life of the flight?" Xie Kai asked, "The competitiveness of civil airliners lies in the cost performance. If we need to change the engine every once in a while, we are not smashing our own signboard? As a market challenger, we are decades later than others, so we have to be more cautious. ”
It's not that Xie Kai doesn't want to sell Luck Ten.
But now Yun Shi, there are still a lot of problems that need to be solved.
The problem of short service life has been effectively solved after the large press is completed, but no one can guarantee the service life of the engine.
As a transport aircraft, a narrow-body passenger aircraft like the Y-10 is not very qualified.
It is even more difficult for civil airliners with more stringent requirements to obtain airworthiness licenses from Europe and the United States.
"Of course, we can get the domestic airworthiness license first, and if we can in Europe and the United States, we can also get it first. ”
The Soviet Union saw that it could not be done.
There are less than two years to go, and the honeymoon period between China and the United States is coming to an end, and it is estimated that it will not be so easy to get an airworthiness license in the United States at that time.
"If you get an airworthiness license, you won't sell it?"
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