Ye Xianggao, Fang Congzhe and the others all listened patiently.

Feng Ziying's words are a little off-topic, how to build, what ships to build, how to use these ships, this is all a later story, what they want to hear is how to make these businessmen in Jiangnan willing to come to Denglai and Liaoning to set up shipyards and shipyards without the imperial court paying for it.

They are all representatives of the gentry in Jiangnan, if the imperial court does not pay money, then if these merchants want to go north, it is only like when Emperor Guangyuan moved the capital to Beijing 80 years ago, forcibly let the rich merchants in Jiangnan must enter Beijing, under the sword soldiers, naturally they can only bow their heads and obey orders.

That time also made the Jiangnan gentry and wealthy businessmen hurt their vitality, and also caused the Jiangnan gentry to be dissatisfied with the imperial court, and the confrontation between the north and the south intensified.

This donation is inevitably too large, and it will tie people there, which is undoubtedly the spokesperson of these businessmen, including the entire Jiangnan gentry and businessmen, that is, it is difficult for them to accept.

Feng Ziying was also obviously aware of this, these guys were obviously not interested in the specific situations that they might face after the opening of the sea, such as the sea trade ships and the ships of the naval fleet, they were only interested in how to solve the problems mentioned earlier.

"Set up a shipyard, Xia Guan thought that he could recruit businessmen who were familiar with the shipbuilding industry in Jiangnan, and give them free of charge in suitable areas in Denglai and southern Liaoning, and in addition, these businessmen could recruit some people who were familiar with construction, and if they were registered personnel, they could be deregistered, including Qingjiang and Longjiang shipyards, and the registered craftsmen could also handle the ,...... accordingly."

This proposal immediately caused an uproar in the palace, and not only the Ministry of Works, but also the cabinet and some other important ministers of the six ministries, apparently had difficulty accepting such a proposal.

Although there is no power to restrict their personal freedom, their household registration is permanently fixed, inherited from generation to generation, and cannot be left from home, which is a rule that has been set since ancient times, and now it is necessary to break this thousand-year-old iron rule, which is undoubtedly difficult for them to accept.

Ye Xianggao and Fang Congzhe were both a little moved.

There is no doubt that this suggestion is beneficial to the Jiangnan merchants who are willing to come north to set up a shipyard, but they are also important ministers of the imperial court, and they must start from safeguarding the interests of the imperial court, and this suggestion obviously still hurts the interests of the imperial court.

This suggestion is obviously too unexpected, and it is no surprise that it will be resolutely opposed by other ministers, especially the strong accusations of the Ministry of Industry and the ministers from the North, and only Feng Ziying, a stunned young man, dares to say so.

In their view, it may be difficult to support this proposal, and rash statements will only invite hostility and criticism.

And this alone, it is certainly not possible to let these businessmen invest heavily in building a shipyard in Denglai, southern Liaoning.

To build a shipyard capable of producing ships is not something that can be done by just a group of technicians and craftsmen, and the technicians and craftsmen of Qingjiang Longjiang Shipyard, as Cui Jingrong said, these people have been separated from the shipbuilding technology that really has voyages for too long, and I am afraid that many of them are not competent.

Seeing that many ministers in the palace either whispered, or were angry, or sneered and dismissive, Feng Ziying also knew that this would cause public anger, but if this point was not raised, it would be a pity to see these two shipyards so erosive, and even these craftsmen and technicians slowly degenerated into unusable streams, so even if it offended some people, it would be a pity.

Seeing that Feng Ziying was silent, Zhang Huaichang, the imperial history of the left capital, who had never opened his mouth, said sharply: "If you lose your honor in front of the palace, you should be punished according to the law!" ”

As soon as these words came out, everyone quieted down, and Zhang Huaichang said: "The emperor and Lord Shoufu have already said before, let Feng Xiushu finish the strategy first, and then discuss the specific situation, why do you need to listen to unsatisfactory words, so make such a noise, a scholar who has been an official for many years, but he is not even as good as the students of the academy, what kind of system, it is simply insulting!" ”

Feng Ziying's eyes fell on this Zuodu Yushi, this one's identity is also very special, he is a native of Songjiang in Nanzhi, but his ancestral home is not Songjiang, but Gaixian County, Liaodong, but his father has lived in Songjiang Wei since he was a child, and then he was admitted to the Jinshi as a military child and entered the imperial court, so theoretically he belongs to the southerners, but in his bones he is a northerner, and he is a very rare Liaodong person among the civil ministers.

Zhang Huaichang is the No. 1 person in the Metropolitan Procuratorate, in charge of Fengxian, this person has a clear personality, lonely and tall, and all the ministers in the court are a little in awe, even Ye Xianggao and Fang Congzhe both respect him very much.

Fortunately, this person is not the kind of person who is nitpicky, and the Metropolitan Procuratorate under his rule basically adheres to this atmosphere, in addition to being strict with the army, martial arts and dragon forbidden lieutenants, which have always been focused on key groups, they are also quite preferential to scholars and ministers, so this person has a very good reputation among scholars in the north and south.

was reprimanded by Zhang Huaichang, the hall was immediately silent, Feng Ziying raised his eyes to look at Ye Xianggao, Ye Xianggao nodded, Feng Ziying continued: "Xia Guan also knows that this proposal must be unprecedented, but our group went to Qingjiang Longjiang Shipyard to investigate on the spot, if this situation continues, within ten years, these craftsmen and technicians will basically be abolished, because now the shipbuilding technology is also changing with each passing day, they no longer have the skills to manufacture the ships that the people need, rather than let them be obscure, Why can't they be used in Denglai Liaonan? ”

"Besides, the Ministry of Industry is also here, we all know that these craftsmen are struggling to make a living, and they have no interest in the matters arranged above. No profit, no early, no benefit, such a small people, who is willing to endure hardships and losses? ”

Feng Ziying specifically pointed out that this is a small people, which is different from the "gentlemen" in the palace, so as not to have to argue about the way of education.

Although it can still be seen that many people disagree and disagree with this, but there are also some people who are thinking about this issue, at least with the reprimand of Zuodu Yushi, no one will jump out to be a demon at this time.

"The establishment of shipyards in Denglai and southern Liaoning must give encouragement and support to businessmen, otherwise how can they attract each other? On the one hand, the support of craftsmen and technicians, the allocation of land for free support is also on the one hand, but this is not enough, the shipyard is not only to spend a huge amount of money and silver, but also not to see immediate results at once, to find these Jiangnan businessmen to go north, there must be some measures,......"

When the play came, everyone pricked up their ears.

"To build a shipyard, the businessmen themselves must invest a lot, but they may not have enough money, so what should they do? Some people have thought about letting the imperial court contribute, but after the imperial court has contributed, how can they prevent these businessmen from misusing the imperial court's money and silver, embezzling ink and losing money? If you intervene in management, will there be no distinction between the host and the guest, leading to constant infighting, and eventually shirking each other's responsibilities, and the result is that things will not work out? ”

Feng Ziying asked herself, obviously negating the possibility of the imperial court's contribution, which also made some people breathe a sigh of relief, some people were slightly disappointed, but more people were interested and wanted to see how to solve this dead knot.

This is a matter on the surface, and if the merchants want to pay their own money to work for the imperial court, they will definitely find various reasons to excuse the difficulties.

"The opinion of the lower officials is that they can be encouraged to borrow money from the silver bank money shop to build, not only to build a shipyard, but also to build ships in the future,......"

This mention made many people in the hall shake their heads again and again.

This silver village money shop is indeed in Jiangnan and Jingshi, many of them are connected with pawnshops, gold and silver shops, not to say that you can't borrow, but the loan is basically carried out in the form of mortgages, such as gold and silver jewelry and bone dong, such as fur clothes, such as silk and satin, and even can be pledged with the title deed as a pledge to exchange money, but that is basically not a loan, but a pledge, of course, there must be interest and handling fees.

But this kind of pledge for money, the amount is generally not large, generally between a few taels and a few hundred taels, and thousands of taels are basically rare, after all, what can be mortgaged by thousands of taels of silver, there is really a land deed, and there is no need to go to the pawnshop, directly looking for friends or lending can immediately borrow money.

As for the real money shops and silver banks in this era, they are basically set up for the merchants' general deposit and exchange services to charge handling fees, and there is basically no loan business.

But this shipyard construction and shipbuilding loans, it is different, it may be thousands of silver at every turn, which pawnshop and silver village money shop dare to undertake such a livelihood can make the shop lose money? There is no such precedent either.

However, Emperor Yonglong, Ye Xianggao and Fang Congzhe, as well as Zheng Jizhi and Li Sancai, were already brightened, and they heard the hidden meaning in Feng Ziying's words.

Previously, in the Linqing tribute brick matter, Cui Jingrong mentioned the ban on tribute bricks in the chapter, but many businessmen with skills and manpower suffered from not having enough money and silver to start, and the interest rate was too high and the risk was too great, which restricted the development of the tribute brick production industry.

He mentioned in the recital that Feng Keng suggested that the imperial court could open a silver village, or a joint venture with private businessmen, mainly to support this kind of production industry that is beneficial to the people's livelihood and the imperial court.

However, this piece was later handed over by Emperor Yonglong and discussed by the cabinet, although it was agreed to ban the tribute bricks, but this suggestion was only circulated in the cabinet and the Ministry of Household Industry, and it did not attract attention, let alone handle it.

And now that Feng Ziying's old matter is recalled, it is obvious that she really took this matter as a key part of it.

This guy is really powerful, he actually made a cloth in advance, echoing step by step, so that you follow it unconsciously, Ye Xianggao and Fang Congzhe both saw a little bit of appreciation in each other's eyes The hidden fear behind it.