1219. Night Talk

Bow to the holy decree, the whole empire is like a machine, every department is not idle, although there is no date for the expedition, but the money, food and materials needed for the war must be prepared in advance, stone after stone of grain and grass are transported to the front line, the whole army is fighting hard, waiting for the day.

In the Ganlu Palace, Li Shimin was having dinner, and he was bored looking at the music on the side, and he was able to look at the music so presumptuously in front of Li Shimin, and Li Pojun was the only one in the entire Tang Dynasty.

After seeing that they were all cumbersome political affairs, he couldn't calm down in his heart, so he put the music aside and didn't speak, Li Shimin glanced at it obliquely and said with a smile: "This is boring?" Then I review dozens or hundreds of books every day, wouldn't it be even more boring."

Li Pojun smiled bitterly, "Aya, you know I'm thinking about something else, now let me see how I look at this."

"Hmph, you know that you are fighting, you don't learn to govern well, and you will see how you adapt in the future."

Hearing Li Pojun say this, Li Shimin snorted coldly, hating the lesson that iron does not become steel.

Li Pojun had no choice but to laugh, his eyes rolled, and he hurriedly diverted the topic and said what he thought in his heart, "Aya, the child thinks that this time it is okay to pacify Tugu Hun Ding, after all, my Datang has four wins, and Tuyuhun has four defeats."

"Oh? Do you still learn Cao Wei Guo Jia's theory of ten wins and ten defeats? Tell me about it". Hearing what Li Pojun said, Li Shimin was interested, after all, there was no problem in conquering Tuyuhun and winning the Tang Dynasty, but he also wanted to hear what Li Pojun had to say.

"There are many generals in the Tang Dynasty, the soldiers hold it, the enemy is afraid of it, and the Tuyuhun soldiers are very few, the barbarian land, I don't know what the soldiers want, this is a martial victory;

The Tang Dynasty has Aya Yingming and martial arts, knows people well, and uses people undoubtedly, while Tuyuhun Murong Fuyun is violent and unscrupulous, reckless and suspicious, and this degree is better than two;

The land of Datang is thousands of miles, the population is 10 million, the products are abundant, and the national strength is strong, while the Tuyuhun alpine land is not producing, the land is not more than 1000 miles, the people are not more than 1 million, and it is even barren.

The Tang Dynasty is generous and benevolent, pushes the city to the four places, and educates the eight directions, while Tuyuhun is disrespectful and disloyal, and repeatedly rebels.

With these four wins, how easy it is to defeat Tu Gu Hun ".

Hearing what Li Pojun said, Li Shimin nodded noncommittally, after all, what Li Pojun said was not a very clever argument, a clear-eyed person could see it, and when he turned his head, he looked at Li Pojun curiously, "What do you want to say this kid?" ”

In the end, Li Shimin came out, Li Pojun said this nonsense just for the following words, smiled slightly, Li Pojun said straightly: "Aya, as the saying goes, it is easy to fight the country, and it is easy to sit on the country, and it is easy to defeat Gu Hun in this way, I don't know how to deal with the aftermath?" Will Ayer be decided? ”

"Aftermath?" Li Shimin's eyes lit up, and then he asked tentatively: "Restore the former Sui division and set up Xihai and other prefectures and counties?" ”

Seeing this, Li Pojun's heart sank, but he nodded slightly and said, "Well, set up prefectures and counties, send officials, and then what?" What should this Xianbei person do? ”

Li Shimin frowned when he heard this, thought for a while and said straightly: "You can't kill it, you can only implement the policy of restraint and another khan."

Hearing that it was indeed such an arrangement, as Li Pojun expected, it was still the same as in history, Li Pojun couldn't help but shake his head secretly.

After the Tang Dynasty destroyed Tuyuhun in the original history, it did not go all out to destroy the rule of the Murong family in Tuyuhun, and after the death of Murong Fuyun, the culprit of the Tang Dynasty, the Tang Dynasty stopped its troops, and instead set up Murong Shun, the son of Fuyun, as the king of Xiping County and Gandou Khan, succeeding Fu Yun and continuing to rule Tuyuhun.

Tuyuhun ravaged by the Tang Dynasty collapsed, since it was respectful to the Tang Dynasty, but also lost the ability to fight against Tubo, after Songtsan Gampo grew up, Tubo rose up, annexed Tuyuhun in one fell swoop, since then Tubo is even more powerful, the border bordering the Tang Dynasty has increased, there are more and more direct conflicts, and finally it is to break the capital of the Tang Dynasty.

In Li Pojun's view, this is completely to hand over the fruits of the war to others, but Tuyuhun, who spent a lot of manpower and material resources to exterminate, did not annex it, but cheapened Tubo, a forbearant plateau wolf.

Since Tuyuhun has been defeated, it is easy to manage, you must know that Qinghai Lake is rich in water and grass, and the Hehuang area is rich in products, but it is not the cold land of Tubo.

So now when I hear Li Shimin say this, Li Pojun is 10,000 unhappy in his heart, seeing Li Pojun's face, Li Shimin is also stunned, he is just a preliminary idea, why is this kid with such an expression, is it that I said it badly, and he was also annoyed: "You kid, what do you want to say."

"Aya, what do you say we bothered to knock down Tuyuhun for, is it just to vent our anger? The ultimate goal of the war is profit, and since we have defeated it, we have to enjoy the benefits that there are still there", Li Pojun frowned and took a simple map.

He said again: "Aye, you see, Tuyuhun has a very prominent geographical location, and it is at the key point between the Central Plains and the Western Regions, choking the throat of the Hetao region. And this ......" said Li Pojun directly to the lake on the map.

"This is the Qinghai Lake in the east of the Tuyuhun Wangcheng Fuqi City, oh, the Tang Dynasty calls it the West Sea, the West Sea covers a wide area, the surrounding terrain is flat, there are many rivers, the water and grass are abundant, it is a natural horse farm, prolific horses, eight or nine out of ten Tuyuhun good horses are produced in the West Sea, in addition, you see this river Huang area...".

Li Pojun pointed to the southeast of Qinghai Lake on the map, "This Hehuang area is the triangle of the Yellow River and the Huangshui Basin, where the rivers are interspersed and the land is fertile, no less than the Hetao area, and it is a waste for those Xianbei people to occupy such fertile land."

Swallowing his saliva, "Therefore, the child thinks that if Tuyuhun is destroyed, he must not learn from the former Sui again, and then he will be crowned another khan, repatriated to his hometown, and treat his royal family preferentially, but he must not be allowed to return to power." Directly set up a state to send officials, govern Tuyuhun, send another heavy army, build a city and hold on, in short, it is no longer possible to return the land to the Xianbei people, let alone let the Tubo people take it away."

In fact, after destroying the Eastern Turks, and continuing to let the Eastern Turks protect all the lands and customs to govern the grasslands, Li Pojun felt very, and bothered to destroy you, but in the end, he still let you live a leisurely and leisurely life there to be a king and a hegemon, and then become strong and jump again, isn't this full of food and support.

After all, Li Pojun clearly remembered that after the fall of the Eastern Turks, those weakened Turkic chieftains came to oppose the Tang Dynasty after dormant for several years and after their strength was strong. Defeated and surrendered, surrendered and rebelled, sentenced and beaten and surrendered...... This cycle lasted for a hundred years.

Li Pojun naturally scoffed at this kind of practice of having nothing to do when he was full, but at that time, Li Pojun was in Jiangnan, and he didn't know about the affairs of the DPRK and China, and it had been decided by Wen Yanbo and other ministers, so it was not good to say much.

But this time, Li Pojun can't be regarded as having that group of old scribes do this in the name of benevolence and righteousness of the Celestial Empire, if they occupy it, they will occupy it, and this piece of land will be mine.

killed the rebellious father, and then appointed his son as the khan to continue to hold power, in the end, Tuyuhun is still Tuyuhun of the Xianbei people, or the Murong family, and what about the Tang Dynasty? Nothing is falling, isn't this just a panic when you're full.

After listening to Li Pojun's words, Li Shimin was silent for a long time, just looked at Tuyuhun on the map, and then sighed leisurely, "What you said, why didn't I want to, after all, to expand the territory, but how difficult it is to really expand the territory, the Central Plains is good, and this barbarian land is even more difficult."

Even if it is defeated, it is difficult to govern for a long time, after all, the culture and folk customs are different, and the five Hu people in the past messed up the world, but it is difficult to last long, it is precisely this reason, it is difficult for the Hu people to govern the Han, and similarly, the Han people are difficult to govern the Hu."

Listening to what Li Shimin said, Li Pojun didn't agree with it, after all, the integration of the later generations of nationalities was so beautiful, although it was a product of historical development, but Li Pojun didn't believe it, and the Tang Dynasty couldn't be governed.

"Aya, what is the reason why Han culture has flourished so far, isn't it because it is good at acceptance, good at tolerance, and can keep pace with the times, the land of Tuyuhun is a mixed land of Hu and Han, and its royal city is also known as Cheji Jia Kuari by the local area, in the Tubo language, "Kuari" is the city, and "Jia" is the Han people, which means the Han city in the Chiji area, because there has been no habit of building a city since ancient times, and then the nomadic farming people mixed together, and gradually formed the city, which is now the Tuyuhun King City.

Since the Han people were able to influence Tuyuhun to establish a city as a royal city, why couldn't they be governed like Lingnan Baiyue and Liaodong? ”

In Li Pojun's view, the assimilation ability of the Han people is undoubtedly very strong, I didn't see the later Khitan Mongol Jurchens, who were originally nomads on horseback, but under the influence of the Han people, they also changed the name of a country that conformed to the Han culture, Liao, Yuan, and Qing, and they all learned Han culture, which is the charm of Han culture, which can not only be tolerated, but also assimilated.

Seeing that Li Shimin was thoughtful, Li Pojun said again: "After the Murong Dynasty is destroyed, we can re-divide, annex and end the former Suizhou County, send officials to govern, and send heavy troops to build the city." And now don't those families like to enclose land, it's a pity that so much fertile land in the Hehuang area is wasted, the imperial court can encourage immigration, the people of the Central Plains who have no land can move into Tuyuhun, the government will distribute agricultural tools and seeds and other production materials, and then exempt them from taxes for another three years, and even give subsidies, I don't believe that no one will go, as long as there are Han people, increase the proportion of local Han and Hu, and it will definitely be able to settle down."

"Immigration?" Li Shimin was stunned when he heard this, and then nodded slightly, "The 500,000 soldiers of the First Emperor's Southern Expedition stayed in Lingnan, which is equivalent to emigrating."

Under the influence of war, natural disasters, politics, economy and other factors, many people have migrated to other places. If immigrants are good, they can expand their living space, grow the economy, improve their quality of life, and promote the development of ethnicity, culture, and race. Bad immigration can also cause social unrest, leading to social exclusion and even division.

But at this time, before the Tang Dynasty, there were no immigrants presided over by the imperial court, not counting in a small area, and not counting those who fled the famine, 500,000 soldiers of the Southern Expedition in the Qin Dynasty went to Lingnan, and in the late Han Dynasty, the scholars and ordinary people fled south to Jiaozhou for refuge, and the so-called "Yiguan Nandu" in the Wei and Jin dynasties...... and so on, which are not organized and planned forced immigrants by the imperial court, and are all influenced by external factors.

The organization of immigration that really allowed the imperial court to intervene had to wait until the Ming and Qing dynasties, such as Jiangxi filling Huguang, Huguang filling Sichuan, etc., which was forced by the government.

Now there is no talk of the government organizing immigrants, so I heard Li Pojun say that he encouraged the people to immigrate to Tuyuhun, Li Shimin was also a little moved, before Duan Lun went south to repair the Meiling Pass and opened up the Lingnan road, he had already begun to organize and encourage the people to go south to Lingnan, and now another Tuyuhun seems to be a problem.

"Lingnan also needs immigrants, but in this way, the population of the Central Plains seems to be insufficient ......." Li Shimin frowned.

"Underpopulated ......". Li Pojun is also stagnant, and later generations of Chinese are overcrowded and need family planning, but the current Tang is underpopulated.

Also, during the opening of the Sui Dynasty, there were more than 7 million households in the country, with a population of about 50 million, but after more than ten years of war, the princes were fighting, and natural disasters continued, and in the early years of Zhenguan, there were only more than 2.1 million households left in the country, and the population was only more than 10 million, less than a quarter of the Sui Dynasty's heyday.

Thinking of this, Li Pojun could only smash his mouth and said straightly: "I can only encourage fertility and check the population." The government offers rewards, rewards for giving birth to children, giving food, money, clothes, etc., and then checking the household registration and checking the hidden households. At the end of the Sui Dynasty, there were not a few people who fled into the deep mountains and old forests during the war, and there were also slaves hidden by wealthy families, as well as Taoist monks in temples, etc., these people had to be inventoried ......."

Seeing that Li Pojun was talking more and more about going long, the farther and farther, and he had completely deviated, Li Shimin also waved his hand and said straight: "Let's not talk about these for the time being, wait for me to discuss with your ministers."

But in fact, what Li Pojun said inadvertently was exactly what Li Shimin was thinking about, and he secretly remembered it in his heart. The population problem is very serious, and he cannot ignore it, the population during your Zhenguan period is not as large as that of the Sui Dynasty, and the days go back more and more, doesn't this mean that he Li Shimin is incompetent, and it is not as good as the Sui Emperor who will govern the country, which is absolutely unacceptable to Li Shimin.

Seeing that Li Shimin stopped talking, Li Pojun touched his nose, drank saliva, and turned the topic to Tugu again, "I don't know what Aya will deploy in this war?" It's winter now, so you won't use troops now, right? ”

Although Li Pojun is not obsessed with the art of war without soldiers in winter, he is also a little uncertain, after all, Tuguhun Northwest Land, think about the cold wind in the northwest, snowflakes fluttering, Li Pojun is a spirit, at this time the use of soldiers is not very good, but everything has two sides......

No, as soon as Li Pojun said it, Li Shimin sneered: "What's wrong with winter? Didn't the Eastern Turks be exterminated in winter, and we are not good at using troops in winter, and it is even more difficult to fight in Tuguhun.

Could it be that you want to tell that Wei Lao'er that you will fight again in the spring of next year? The next year is spring, the grass is fat and the horses are strong, and it is even more difficult to fight."

Li Pojun's face was embarrassed when he heard this, and he nodded and said: "That's true, it's cold, my Tang Army eats dry beams, and I can barely stand it wearing cotton clothes, and I have to rely on cattle and sheep for food and clothing, but it's too difficult."

I heard Li Shimin say again: "Moreover, Tuyuhun did not withdraw his troops from this raid on Guzang, but instead stationed troops on the side of Liangzhou, and the line between Liangzhou and Lanzhou is the main road in Hexi.

Although Datang does not attach importance to Tuyuhun and thinks that it will win, after all, Tuyuhun has more than 100,000 people who control the strings, and he occupies the home field in the bitter cold land of the northwest, so he really cannot be taken lightly.

Li Pojun was taken aback when he heard it, and looked at the map, sure enough, as soon as Liangzhou was lost, the Hetao was cut off, and Datang would face a very embarrassing situation, looking up, "Aya, this Liangzhou?" ”

"Hehe, don't worry, I've already made arrangements, I want to wait for you to react now, what use do I want for this court prince." Li Shimin said with a very joking smile, it is rare to see Li Pojun so negligent, and he was shocked to see this kid once.

"Liangzhou is guarded by Li Daliang, and there is no big problem."

"Li Daliang? Didn't he serve as the general of Zuowu Houwei in Beijing? When did you go to Liangzhou? "Li Pojun's newlywed Yan'er has been indulging in gentleness in the past few months, but he has paid less attention to the trends of the court.