On this day, Wen Yanbo once again convened the minister Yu Dutang to discuss the reform of Ye County.

Du Zhongxiao entered the capital hall early, and saw that Li Shen, the envoy of salt and iron, and Zhang Liang, the envoy of the household department, were already there, so they hurriedly greeted each other.

After a few words of gossip, Zhang Luo said: "Yesterday, I saw the news that the army of Captain Di under Tiandu Mountain has come out, entered Dingchuan Village, and crossed the new trench. The party was harassed by soldiers, repelled by our army, and everything else was calm. ”

Li Shen said: "Taiwei Di's army is 300,000, how dare the party dare to confront it head-on!" ”

Zhang Luo nodded yes and said, "The party has gathered troops from all over the country, and it is powerless to stop the army of Captain Di. I think it was harassment along the road, and the decisive battle was under Lingzhou City. I heard that the party has built Lingzhou City for several years, and there is enough money and food in it, and it is not easy to attack. ”

At this time, there is no more important event in the world than a war with the party. Although today's discussion of Ye County's affairs, everyone's thoughts are still on the northwest front.

After chatting for a few words, Du Zhi made Zhou Zhan, Ouyang Xiu, Wang Zhu, Wang Qi and others arrive and join together, making it even more lively. For this northwest war, everyone is optimistic and guesses when the victory will be. After all, Du Zhongxiao has been on Hequ Road for three years, invincible, expanding thousands of miles, there is no reason to change Di Qing, and there will be accidents with an army of 300,000 under him.

It wasn't until Wen Yanbo waited for Zai Zhi to come in and everyone saluted that the topic ended.

After the ceremony, Wen Yanbo said: "It has been more than ten days since the last meeting to discuss the affairs of Ye County, and you have thought about it clearly. Today, it is best to set the following strategy, report to the Holy Lord, and listen to the Holy Judgment. Although Ye County is chaotic, it is not a major event after all, and it cannot be postponed for a long time. Now that the war in the northwest has begun, the efforts of the imperial court must be used to fight against the party, and it must not be distracted. ”

Everyone praised the wat together and said yes.

Wen Yanbo said to Zhou Zhan, the envoy of the degree branch: "Last time we discussed, the world's money was collected and issued by the imperial court in a unified manner, and the large and small iron money was made. The money was previously attributed to the Division, I don't know what you think? This matter is very serious, not only involving Ye County, we must be careful. ”

Zhou Zhan said: "Back to Xianggong, Du Zhisi thinks that this matter is feasible. However, there are a few things to note that must be taken with extreme caution. ”

Wen Yanbo said: "There is something to say, but it doesn't hurt to say it." This is a major national event, and of course we must be cautious. ”

Zhou Zhan said: "The lower officials think that it is not difficult for the imperial court to issue money in a unified manner. Now the places where money is printed are directly under the jurisdiction of the imperial court, and it is enough to unify the plate making. Some remote roads can be cut and transported by other roads. However, it was uniformly printed by the imperial court, and it still had to be linked to the savings houses in various places. Otherwise, once the people go together to save the money used to exchange it for copper coins, if they cannot redeem it, it will inevitably cause doubts. ”

Du Zhongxiao said: "Is this a run?" The imperial court decreed that the exchange of money for copper coins should be notified in advance. If there is not enough copper money in the savings office, you can ask the person who is making the money to wait a few days. Copper coins are not allowed to leave the country, and it is nothing to wait for a few days. The most important thing is that the money is actually stored in the savings bank, and there must be interest, so that saving money is more beneficial than cashing out. ”

Zhang Fangping said: "There is interest on saving money, there is a problem, money must be able to make money." Being able to lend money to earn interest, and with interest rate differentials, there is certainly no problem with saving money with interest. But the money is issued according to the copper coin, and the number of copper coins is certain, and the money cannot be issued all the time. One day, there will be so much money that there will be insufficient copper coins to increase the issuance. What then? ”

Li Shendao, the salt and iron envoy: "In addition to copper coins, there are also iron coins issued, and there is no shortage of iron." ”

Du Zhongxiao said: "Relying on gold, silver, copper, etc. to make money, there will always be a problem, that is, the amount exceeds the price of these. There is no way to do this, so you can ignore it for the time being. At that time, everything will be different, and Qian Yin will no longer have to rely on copper coins. As long as there are enough goods in the world, you can buy anything with money, what else? So this matter can be ignored for the time being. ”

Zhou Zhan said: "As long as you are not afraid of the people going to get it together, and the imperial court will print the money uniformly, there will be nothing." ”

Du Zhongxiao said: "If you want Qian Yin to buy all the goods in the world, you can no longer be presided over by the Du Zhi Division. If not, as soon as the court is short of money, it will print money, and if there is no law, it will become waste paper sooner or later. There should be a separate division, independent, specializing in printing money citations. The copper and iron coins in the hands of the savings are applied to the place where they were printed, and the printing can be given to them. ”

Wen Yanbo said: "This matter involves a wide range of issues, and it is difficult to discuss clearly for a while. As long as it is determined that the imperial court will issue money in a unified manner, there will naturally be separate officials and detailed discussions. This matter is discussed here, and when it is really done, the imperial court is naturally cautious. ”

And they all said yes. Compared with the previous prime ministers, Wen Yanbo is determined to do things, is more authoritarian, and does not like to be wordy.

After discussing Qian Yin, taking a sip of tea, Wen Yanbo said: "The last time Ye County was discussed, everyone thought that they wanted to increase the number of officials. The easiest way is to be promoted by the county to the state, and the iron supervisor will list it, and the salt and iron department will send someone to take care of it. As soon as this case was opened, not only the Baiting Supervisor, but also other Iron Supervisors should do the same. There are also shopping malls and large government-run factories in various places, which must be managed by the Salt and Iron Division. At that time, the Salt and Iron Division was not what it is now, and with the forbidden things in the world under its control, it was extremely powerful. It's not a small matter, what do you think after all these days? ”

Li Shendao, the envoy of salt and iron, said: "The minister has thought about this matter carefully, if he does this, the salt and iron division will need to add a lot of officials. ”

Prime Minister Liu Xin said: "If it is beneficial, what is the difficulty of increasing the number of officials? The key is whether these places will become better after the collection of the Salt and Iron Division, and whether the imperial court can receive more money and grain. If it is only to increase the number of officials, there is no benefit to the imperial court, so what good has it done? ”

Li Shen praised the wat : "Now the world's iron supervisors, shopping malls and the like, there is no accurate number of how much money can be collected in a year. There are at least a few benefits to the salt and iron division. First, the unity between all roads in the world is managed by the salt and iron division, and the people who use it know how much they use, and they also know what they make. The goods in the shopping mall are purchased from all over the world, and with the quantity, it is also conducive to unified purchasing. With these benefits, it is bound to make more money than before. ”

Jia Changchao said: "However, the guns and gunpowder used by the army are also bought from these factories. After it was attributed to the Salt and Iron Division, under the Zhili Zhongshu, the Privy Council needed money to buy it. Where does all this money come from? ”

Du Zhongxiao said: "This requires the army to compile figures, report to the imperial court, and the imperial court will allocate money." In the past, the direct allocation of materials was just that it did not cost money on the surface, but in fact, so many materials were worth a lot of money. There's no money to measure, and the factory doesn't want to do it. ”

Jia Changchao said: "What if you don't want to do it? Under the order of the court, there is no room for slackness! ”

Du Zhongxiao said: "Taiwei, what you want to do and what you don't want to do are different after all. People who do it don't want to do it, and they force it to do it, and it will naturally be much worse than what they want to do. In the final analysis, the Privy Council used money, and the money still went into the door of Zhongshu. However, the imperial court found a way to transfer the money to the army. Multiple procedures are easy to control for the imperial court, not a bad thing. ”

Jia Changchao said: "There is no way to allocate money now, and this matter is a little difficult to do." Unless the court is played and the money is allocated to the Privy Council, this matter will never be feasible! Without guns, without gunpowder, how can the army fight! ”

Wen Yanbo said: "When things are implemented, of course they will think about everything. It was not only the Privy Council that was difficult to manage, but also the factories under the control of the imperial court, including the construction of railways, were allocated by the imperial court. Regardless of these details, whether this matter is feasible or not is discussed today. Whenever it is feasible, report to the Holy Judgment in the Holy Order. We'll discuss the details later. ”

Zhang Fangping said: "Although there are difficulties in this matter, I think it must be done, otherwise it will be too chaotic." Allocated by the decree of the court, the factory where it is located will inevitably be delayed and delayed as much as possible. Many of the products they make themselves are for takeaway money, so they naturally tend to be there. Collect the salt and iron division, where you need to use the money to buy, if you want to add more money in a hurry, the factory will do things much clearer. ”

Jia Changchao said: "But the guns and cannons needed by the army are not available to the imperial court now." ”

Zhang Fangping said: "There is no need to buy it now, so naturally there is no money." If you need money to buy it in the future, the court will naturally allocate money, so why bother with this. ”

And they heard and said yes. Jia Changchao only took the position of the Privy Council, emphasizing that there was no money. There is no need to buy it now, of course, there is no money, and when it is bought with money in the future, how can the court not allocate money. Not to mention, it is difficult to say whether it was bought by the Privy Council.

Seeing that everyone was no longer talking, Wen Yanbo said: "The world's big official camp affairs are received by the Salt and Iron Division, and they are no longer under the jurisdiction of the local government, which has actually changed a lot. At present, the Salt and Iron Division only collects accounts from all over the country, and has to directly manage the field affairs, and of course it has to increase many officials. A rough estimate shows that there are not a few officials who have increased. In addition, there are large and small field affairs in various places, and the big ones are collected and the small ones are to be discussed. This matter has a tremendous impact on the government and cannot be explained in a few words. After today, the Zhongshu and the Salt and Iron Division will discuss together and work out a preliminary method. When it comes to actual implementation, many officials will have to participate. ”

Seeing that everyone didn't speak, Wen Yanbo said: "Okay, after the big thing has been discussed, let's talk about the last thing." Last time, Du Zhongcheng proposed that local governance, factories and farming are the same, and they are also different from shops, and new methods are needed. Moreover, it is proposed that officials, officials, and errands are different, and cooperate with each other in order to manage the place well. He was very interested in this discussion, and later brought it up to me. To implement it in Ye County, the most important thing is two things. One is that there must be suitable officials to do it there, and the other is where the money will come from. ”

Du Zhongxiao said: "When I was in Renzhi County, Yongcheng, I formed a commune, built some shops, collected rent, and did some business. The money earned by the commune belonged to the county, and the money and food were very abundant. In addition to the officials, the local government must have money and food before they can do things. The so-called miscellaneous donations, because they vary from place to place, and there are unscrupulous officials who levy them to the people, which actually harms the people. It is not as good as the unification of states and counties, there are ways to collect money and grain, and there is no need to blame the people, which is also a good governance. ”

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