301 [Interview]

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The pavilion room, which is the name of the building, is located above the stove and under the sundeck, with an area of at most six or seven square meters, small and dark, often used to pile up sundries, or for servants to live.

A large number of impoverished literary and artistic youths could not afford to live in a good house after coming to Shanghai, so they could only rent this kind of cheapest pavilion. In an environment where the winter is cold and the summer is hot, and the wind and rain leak, they wrote patriotic articles one after another, which have been passed down to future generations.

Lu Xun later published a collection of essays called "And Jieting".

"Pavilion" means pavilion room, and "and Jie" means semi-concession, which is connected to "pavilion room of semi-concession".

Therefore, some people think that those essays were written by Lu Xun when he lived in a pavilion in Shanghai, but in fact they are not.

Lu Xun is a rich man, and he still has Xu Guangping by his side, how can he live in the pavilion. He named his anthology "And Jieting", just to recognize the "pavilion culture", and he classified himself as a "pavilion writer".

Lu Xun now lives at No. 23 Jingyunli in Zhabei, and there are many cultural celebrities in this area. For example, Lu Xun's younger brother Zhou Jianren, such as Ye Shengtao, Roushi and Mao Dun.

On this day, Lu Xun was revising the forthcoming "Translation Series under the Wall", and Andre, a reporter from "Zilinxi Daily", visited his door.

Xu Guangping, who had a big belly, brought tea to entertain him, and Andre thanked him and said to Lu Xun: "Mr. Zhou, I wish your future children health and liveliness." ”

"Thank you." Lu Xun was in a very happy mood.

Since Xu Guangping became pregnant, Lu Xun's temper has improved a lot, and even the articles he wrote have a more euphemistic tone.

Andre chatted with Lu Xun for a few words, and quickly got to the main topic of the interview, and asked with a smile: "Mr. Zhou, have you seen the work of another Mr. Zhou?" I'm referring to Zhou Hexuan. ”

Lu Xun was surprised and said: "I thought that you were going to ask about the polemic between Hu Shi and Chen Dezheng in this interview. ”

Andre shrugged his shoulders and said: "The civil war between Mr. Hu and Mr. Chen involves some reasons that are inconvenient to explain, and "Zilinxi Daily" will not participate in it. I'm here to talk about another Mr. Zhou. You know, Mr. Zhou's work has recently caused a sensation in Europe. ”

"I've read all his works." Lu Xun replied.

Andre asked, "What do you think?" ”

Lu Xun smoked a cigarette, spit out smoke and replied with a smile: "What kind of work does this depend on?" ”

Andre said: "Can you elaborate on that?" ”

Lu Xun said: "I like his poems very much, whether it is "Generation", "Answer", or "To the Oak Tree" and "Broken Chapter", they are all very beautiful and wonderful. The first two, in particular, are sharp and firm. His problem novels are also very well written, such as "The Goddess", "The Dog Official" and "The Biography of the Dog Official", which observe Chinese society very thoroughly. As a new-style historiography, "The Rise of Great Powers" contains many things worth learning. ”

"You seem to have fought a pen fight with him?" Andre deliberately provoked trouble.

"It's not called a pen fight, it's just a difference of opinion," Lu Xun said, "and I very much disagree with his political ideas in the last chapter of Guns and Cannons." He is too naΓ―ve and naΓ―ve, and thinks too much of those in power are too bright and selfless. Regardless of the last chapter, the other chapters of the book "Guns Nin" are very groundbreaking. ”

Andre asked: "Since the publication of The Goddess, a school of magical realism has emerged in the Chinese literary scene in the last two years. As a leader of vernacular fiction, what do you think of magical realism? ”

Lu Xun shook the ashes of his cigarette: "First of all, I am not the leader of a literary genre. Secondly, I am very disgusted by the so-called magical realism. ”

Andre smiled: "Didn't you just say that you approve of "The Goddess" very much? ”

"What I agree with is what is written in 'The Goddess,'" Lu Xun explained, "but many of the subsequent magical realist works are more form than content." In order to be different, writers often deliberately disrupt the time and plot, making it more difficult to read in vain, without helping to express the theme of the novel. It's ridiculous, it's putting the cart before the horse, turning reading fiction into a guessing puzzle. What is our vernacular literary movement for? It's to make the article easy to understand. Today's magical realist literature is more difficult than classical Chinese novels, and I firmly oppose this form of writing. ”

Andre asked: "Recently, the European literary community predicted that "The Goddess" is likely to win this year's Nobel Prize in Literature, do you think this work will win the award?" ”

"I don't predict, and I'm not interested in it." Lu Xun said.

"Why? The Nobel Prize in Literature is the highest honor in the world literary world. Andre said.

Lu Xun pressed the cigarette butt and smiled silently.

In fact, as early as two years ago, when Sven Heding, who was eligible to be nominated for the Nobel Prize in Literature, came to China for an investigation, he planned to nominate Lu Xun as a candidate, and asked Liu Bannong to ask Lu Xun's opinion.

Lu Xun directly wrote a letter to refuse, and the intercept was as follows: "...... The Nobel Prize, Liang Qi is supernaturally unworthy, and I am not worthy, I still owe hard work to take this money. What are the best writers in the world than me, they can't get ...... Maybe the one I am cheap is that I am Chinese, relying on these two words China...... I don't think China has anyone who can win the Nobel Prize, and Sweden had better ignore us and give no one. If because of the yellow-skinned people, they are treated with extra preferential treatment and leniency, but it is enough to grow the vanity of the Chinese, thinking that they can really be compared with the great writers of other countries, the result will be very bad. ”

It can be seen that Lu Xun, like the Chinese nowadays, looks down on himself a little. In other words, I always feel that I am not good enough, and I have to continue to work hard to compare with others.

It can also be said that Lu Xun's mind is very sober and he is not dizzy by the halo of the Nobel Prize. Because judging from the scale of world literature, China really does not have a writer who is enough to win the Nobel Prize in Literature.

Of course, Zhou Hexuan is an exception.

The magical realism style is so cool that it completely subverts the way novels are written and read today. "The Goddess" is its pioneering work, and the content is also exceptionally good, and it is fully qualified to win the Nobel Prize in Literature.

In Lu Xun's view, Zhou Hexuan's winning the Nobel Prize is a bad thing for China.

It is conceivable that when the time comes, everyone's vanity will swell again, thinking that China has come to the forefront of the world, and the bad reality of national conditions will be covered up by these illusory honors.

Andre interviewed for nearly 20 minutes, and finally said: "Please give a comprehensive comment on Mr. Zhou Hexuan." ”

Lu Xun thought carefully and said: "In all fairness, in terms of ideology and academics, Zhou Hexuan is the first person since the late Qing Dynasty, and he surpasses Gu Hongming and Liang Qichao by a lot. He is also the best in the field of poetry and fiction, especially novels, which are unsurpassed in China today. As for his political views, I don't agree with that. ”