Text Volume 2 Dawn Morning_Chapter 150 Jin Yiwei's interrogation methods

Zhu Youzhen, accompanied by Lian Shanxiang and Zhang Shijie, inspected the Jinyi Weibei Ya. After months of rectification and purging, the Jinyi Wei Beiya finally stabilized and was divided into three main departments.

One inherited the duties of the emperor's pro-army, mainly responsible for the emperor's patrol and the guard of the imperial city, and was led by Lian Shanxiang.

One retains the power to monitor the hundred officials of the imperial court and public opinion in the capital, and is still in charge of the power of Jinyi Wei Beiya, and now it is managed by Zhang Shijie.

And the last one is the original Jinyi Wei Nanya, which has expanded from the original authority to monitor the internal Jinyi Wei to the monitoring of the entire Ming army and local officials and social security. However, due to the great power of this department, it is now jointly managed by Miyauchi, Lian Shanxiang, Tian Ergeng, Xu Xianchun and others.

After inspecting the Beiya, Chongzhen finally felt a little satisfied, compared to the first time he came to Jinyiwei, the current Beiya is obviously much more orderly.

Under the leadership of Zhang Shijie, Chongzhen and others came to a flower hall behind the Jinyiwei lobby.

After Zhang Shijie retired from the others, he began to report to Chongzhen about the interrogation of Kekegushan and several people.

"There are a total of 5 Jiannu sent by Mao Shuai, 3 are Zhenyi and 2 are Han. The three Zhenyi are the leader Qu Hu can be Gushan, and the other two are his entourage of Ona Sea and Sele. The two Han people are Ma Mingyuan, the interpreter, and Liu Lianshan, the guide.

After taking over the five Jiannu, the minister separated the five and interrogated them separately, and the two Han people quickly confessed, but the three Zhenyi still refused to give in.

So the minister took them to the medical school to observe the anatomy course, and after watching the anatomy course for a day, Enahai and Sele seemed to be a little broken, and they said whatever they asked. Although Qu Hu lost the arrogance he had when he first came, he still kept silent.

The ministers interrogated them several times, but the four people, except for Qu Hu, knew very little about the inside story of the Jiannu military. And these people all insisted that they were going to negotiate peace with Mao Shuai on behalf of Huang Taiji, not to plot against Mao Shuai.

In addition, according to the four of them, this Qu Hu is the henchman of Huang Taiji, the Great Khan of the Later Jin, and he should know some more valuable information. The minister wants to ask His Majesty's permission to punish Qu Hu. ”

Zhang Shijie's moving punishment refers to the punishment of some disabled limbs in Jinyiwei, since the Jinyiwei was rectified, the corporal punishment of these disabled limbs was sealed by Chongzhen, and it was not allowed to be used without asking for instructions.

Since Zhang Shijie asked Chongzhen for instructions to use such a punishment, he obviously thought that the conventional torture method could no longer help this Qu Hu.

Chongzhen seemed to have turned a deaf ear to Zhang Shijie's instructions, just looked at the thin pages in his hand, this is the content of Zhang Shijie's interrogation of Qu Hu and the others in the past few days.

Zhu Youzhen quickly finished reading the interrogation record in his hand, he closed his eyes and thought for a while before he spoke: "If you use a big punishment, you may not be able to get any useful information, if that Qu Hu can't be punished, just talk about it, how can we confirm this information?" ”

Zhang Shijie was stunned for a moment, and then said: "Even if he makes up lies to deceive us, at least he needs to use the true situation as the original, otherwise his lies will not be able to deceive us for long, and the ministers can slowly check his confession, and they can always find some useful information." ”

Zhu Youzhen shook his head and said, "Since Huang Taiji can send him to Phi Dao, he must not be an important person, and he will not let him come into contact with too many military secrets of Houjin."

If it were you, would you send someone who is familiar with the inside of Jinyiwei to act as an emissary to the enemy camp? ”

Zhang Shijie was suddenly a little deflated, and the work of torturing Jiannu's spies was more interesting to him than the work of monitoring hundreds of officials in the capital.

After all, he is also half a scholar, and monitoring the work of court officials has always made him feel a little guilty. The appearance of Keke Gushan and a few people allowed him to temporarily escape the guilt in his heart, so he was particularly concerned.

However, a few words from the emperor woke him up, and it seemed that there were no secrets to dig up in these five people.

When he was regretting, Zhu Youzhen continued to speak: "Although when the imperial brother was in power, he agreed that Mao Shuai would contact Huang Taiji to discuss the peace between the Ming Dynasty and the Houjin.

But since I have already sent people to Shenyang to take charge of the affairs of the peace talks, why do you think Huang Taiji still sent these five people to Phi Dao to find Mao Shuai to continue the peace talks? ”

Zhang Shijie thought for a while, and then said cautiously: "What does Your Majesty mean is that Mao Shuai is secretly communicating with Huang Taiji in the name of peace?" ”

Zhu Youzhen rubbed his chin for a long time before he said calmly: "It's not that this possibility is impossible, if Dongjiang Town can't support it, and Huang Taiji hands out an olive branch, it is not impossible for Mao Shuai to waver in his thoughts." ”

Zhang Shijie didn't know how to respond to the emperor's words, and he said cautiously for a long time: "Mao Wenlong is in the capital now, as long as His Majesty orders it, the minister can take it down in an instant." ”

Looking at Zhang Shijie, Zhu Youzhen couldn't help but shake his head and said: "This is not the reason for doing things, Mao Shuai single-handedly established a Dongjiang town in Liaodong, which can be said to be meritorious to Daming."

If I take down the border town marshal who came to face the saint just because I am suspicious, who will dare to enter Beijing easily in the future?

Besides, for Huang Taiji, as long as Dongjiang Town loses the threat to Jiannu, he will achieve his goal. Whether it is Dongjiang Town taking refuge in him, or Dongjiang Town turning against the imperial court, it can be regarded as he has achieved his goal, how can I get his wish.

Secondly, Qu Hu and others may not want to rebel against Mao Shuai, but Mao Shuai's subordinates. If I detained Mao Shuai in the capital, wouldn't I have cleared the way for the Houjin spy to control Dongjiang Town, and let Huang Taiji know, I'm afraid I would laugh off his big teeth. ”

Zhang Shijie obviously didn't think as much as Chongzhen thought, not because he was simple-minded, but because the difference between the education he and Chongzhen had been in contact with since he was a child was too big.

For Zhang Shijie, the probability of the family betraying the master is almost minimal, and their relationship with the main family is one with both prosperity and loss.

Mao Wenlong, as the commander who founded Dongjiang Town, the core troops of Dongjiang Town must be controlled by his cronies, in this situation, it is almost impossible to bypass him and plot against his generals, so Zhang Shijie will only focus on Mao Wenlong.

For Chongzhen, he never thinks that the personal dependence between the family and the main family is constant, everyone is an independent individual, and it is human nature to make priority choices for their own interests.

Because of the different worldviews of the two, they also have different levels of worry about Mao Wenlong.

Seeing that Zhang Shijie was still thinking, Zhu Youzhen had already continued: "Although the efficiency of Jinyiwei's interrogation is good, I feel that I should still improve it in terms of the purpose and method of interrogation. ”

Zhang Shijie felt bowed and said, "Please also ask Your Majesty to command." ”

Zhu Youzhen looked at him and said: "The purpose of interrogation is to make people tell the truth, so the procedural design of all interrogations should be centered on this.

And why do people tell the truth? Obviously, he still has the will to live, and feels that he still has hope to live.

Do you think they will tell you the truth if you treat them with cruel punishments at every turn, and make them think that life is worse than death, or that they will not live if they tell the truth? ”

Chongzhen's question made Zhang Shijie speechless for a moment, and he didn't know how to answer. Zhu Youzhen continued: "As long as a person opens his mouth, there must be only two types of things he says, truth and falsehood, and it is not very difficult for us to judge whether what he says is true or false.

As long as the words he utters exceed the capacity of his memory, people can remember those things that really happened, but it is difficult to remember the lies they have made, especially the lies they have made up temporarily, they will only forget it faster.

You should not just ask for some military information, but start with their family relationships, neighborhoods, and past experiences, and only when you have enough material and then ask them in a shuffled order, we will know whether they are telling the truth. ”

Listening to these unheard of theories, Zhang Shijie's eyes straightened a little, but he quickly said to the emperor eagerly: "What Your Majesty said is very reasonable, please give your Majesty a few more days, and the minister will definitely let these Jiannu explain everything they know." ”

Zhu Youzhen thought for a while, turned to Lu Qi behind him and asked, "Last time you told me that the Institute of Social Investigation had set up a new psychological research team, how did they perform?" ”

Lu Qi, who had been silent, stood out from the shadow behind the emperor and said: "There are a total of six people in the psychological research team, one is the altar master of the original Wenxiang Sect in the capital; One is an adulterer disguised as a woman and deceived and raped women in the name of teaching needlework; In addition, there are two Xiangshi, one Taoist, and one monk.

Ever since they were recruited, these six have been following His Majesty's instructions to study the psychology of different classes of people, write cases, and cultivate our own reliable talents. So far, the six have not made any other out-of-the-ordinary moves. ”

Zhu Youzhen nodded and said, "Then let them come out and do something and participate in the interrogation of these people."

By the way, that Qu Hu doesn't have to be tried again, find him a separate courtyard to live in first, and treat him very preferentially.

Then find a reliable Liaodong person who can speak Manchu to communicate with him, and tell him that the peace talks between the Ming and Houjin will soon be reached, so as long as he lives in peace for a few days, he can be sent back to Shenyang. ”

Lu Qi immediately nodded in agreement, but Zhang Shijie couldn't help but impulsively say to Chongzhen: "Your Majesty, Qu Hu may know who is a spy in Dongjiang Town, is it too cheap to let him go like this?" ”

Zhu Youzhen shook his head and said, "As long as we know that there are spies in Dongjiang Town, it is enough. Dongjiang Town is lonely overseas, with more than ten isolated islands, if the spy takes action, it will inevitably be impossible to escape the eyes of everyone, and it is enough to tell the Jinyi guards of Dongjiang Town to remain vigilant.

However, Huang Taiji is too restless, and he always sows spies everywhere to buy the scum in my Ming army, so that we are in a hurry, and I feel that I need to find something to do for him, so that he will not stare at us all day long. ”