After Yang Sichang spoke, the next person to speak, Su Tiancheng didn't expect that it would be Zhang Pu.

After accepting the task, Zhang Pu and Wu Weiye continued to participate in the discussion of the official government and the official Lu and other related matters, in the process of discussion, they felt more and more pressure, and they were afraid that because of their own difficulty in grasping, or because of the problem of ability, Su Tiancheng's idea could not be realized, so after thinking carefully, Zhang Pu also had to raise his own doubts, in fact, the doubts he mentioned, Yang Sichang had already said before.

"His Royal Highness King De, the ministers also have some doubts, the officials discussed by the adults have increased the number of officials, which has led to a substantial increase in the expenses of the imperial court, as for the specific to each official, how much is the monthly salary, His Royal Highness finally determined, but there is one thing that you have a unified understanding, the number of households in the upper county of more than 100,000, the number of government officials is not more than 40, the number of households in the middle county of more than 50,000, the number of government officials is not more than 30, the number of households in the lower county of less than 50,000, the number of government officials is not more than 20, The purpose of this move is to save expenses, as for the state government, and the county setting, the government officials are not allowed to exceed 100 people, so the number of officials is very small, if on the basis of the basis again, the establishment of a separate branch of the Metropolitan Procuratorate and the Criminal Department and Dali Temple, I am afraid that it will increase a lot of expenses. ”

"The responsibilities of the Metropolitan Procuratorate are different, and the establishment of a separate branch is not a big problem, and the responsibility of the Metropolitan Procuratorate is to supervise and investigate and deal with officials who are corrupt and pervert the law, and the number of officials is not large, and the officials of Fuzhou and County are not very many, so there is no problem in setting up them, but the situation of the Criminal Department and the Metropolitan Procuratorate is different, and it is set up separately outside the Yamen of Fuzhou County, and the number of people is too small, and I am afraid that it will not be able to investigate and decide on the matter of litigation. There are too many people, and the court can't bear it. ”

"It is the main function of the Fuzhou County Yamen to decide on the matter of litigation and prison, and each chief official has to expend a lot of energy, except for the matter of being responsible for taxation, almost all of them take into account the matter of litigation and prison. The difficulty of the minister's tenure as the prefect and even the matter of litigation requires the cooperation of all parties and the consumption of a lot of manpower and material resources. ”

Combined with these opinions, the minister thought that it was somewhat difficult to set up a separate branch of the Criminal Department and Dali Temple, and the minister's suggestion was that the matter of litigation and prison was still one of the main responsibilities of the Yamen of Fuzhou County. The Criminal Department and Dali Temple can supervise at all times, urging the Fuzhou County Yamen to judge the case prudently, not hastily, if there is a lawsuit that is not handled well, the Criminal Department and Dali Temple can directly recommend the disposal of the chief official of Fuzhou County......"

Zhang Pu's opinion is actually a return to the previous setting, from the Qin Dynasty to the Ming Dynasty, the system of litigation and prison has been constantly improving. It should be said that the current system has been determined in accordance with reality.

However, Su Tiancheng made up his mind, he knew it very well. With the development of the economy, the role of the law will become more and more important, and by the time everyone understands its importance, I am afraid that it will be a little late, and the number of officials in the yamen of Fuzhou County has been strictly restricted, which is also for the needs of high salaries and incorruptible pensions. There were too many people for the imperial court to support, but some silver had to be spent, even if it was a huge cost. Upholding the dignity of the law is one of them.

Fan Jingwen and others also expressed their opinions one after another, Fan Jingwen's opinions have a good operability, when it comes to the branches of the Metropolitan Procuratorate, he suggested that there are two to three people in each county, and there is no need for a separate office, it is enough to have about two houses in the county government, and the state government is set up the same, as for the provincial government at the two levels, the province can set up a special agency and work alone, and the current model is the same, the government can also be set up separately, and the number of people can be controlled within ten people. Moreover, Fan Jingwen also put forward a suggestion that Su Tiancheng did not think of for the time being, that is, the officials of the branch of the Metropolitan Procuratorate should be rotated regularly every year, and they should not be in one place for more than one year, which is also to prevent the officials from being too familiar with the local area, and they cannot be investigated and dealt with impartially.

Xu Eryi added some comments, which were similar to what Fan Jingwen said.

However, neither of them talked about the matters of the Criminal Department and the branch of Dali Temple, and it seems that they focused on the powers, responsibilities and interests of the Metropolitan Procuratorate, and it was difficult to consider other matters.

Yang Sichang also made a supplementary speech after the most remark, that is, about the revision of the Ming Law, he believes that even if the Ming Law is to be amended, it is necessary to convene many officials who are familiar with the Ming Law to discuss together, this is not a trivial matter, and it must be personally responsible for Su Tiancheng, so that it is possible to do a good job.

The next discussion is the matter of taxation, increase the income of officials, there must be a source, otherwise everything is in vain, can not fulfill the promise, no one dares to promise easily, since the founding of the Ming Dynasty, the implementation of the policy is also rich in the people, it should be said that the establishment of this policy is reasonable, it is very appropriate, this is also because Zhu Yuanzhang was born in a peasant, deeply aware of the suffering of the peasants, in line with the perspective of caring for the peasants, established the basic national policy.

It's a pity that these policies, in the process of implementation, have been completely out of shape, and have become an excuse for the court officials to protect their own interests, and when the court really encountered difficulties, the officials still put forward the requirements to hide the wealth from the people, in fact, the common people are still very poor, and need to be relieved, and the really rich people are those gentry and rich families or businessmen who collude with officials and businessmen, they take a great advantage, and they are still screaming about difficulties, and they are unwilling to take out a copper plate.

Too low a tax is a huge harm to the country, and Su Tiancheng is very clear about the truth.

Taxation is a compulsory collection by the state, it is a means to regulate the rich and the poor, and it is also a necessary means to maintain the construction of the country, and the taxation must be tilted towards commerce and trade, relying on the collection of taxes from the peasants to feed the officials, that is an unrealistic thing, and the country cannot develop, in the final analysis, taxes must be formulated according to the needs of social development.

In fact, the emperor's original intention was not to really want to reduce the burden of the people, but thousands of years of etiquette education, so that the emperor wanted to seek the greatest fame for himself, and flaunted that the emperor was the parent of the people and had always cared about the people. If the emperor really understands the truth that the economic base determines the superstructure, I am afraid that he has not.

It was not impossible to pay taxes lightly, but it was only then that very developed societies were able to establish that either the country was unusually rich and powerful, or it relied on the plundering of the wealth of other countries to maintain its own expenses.

It's a pity that the Ming Dynasty didn't have such a foundation.

Although the tax system of the Ming Dynasty has been studied too much in later generations, after personal experience, Su Tiancheng feels that such a tax system is too ridiculous, it is simply putting the cart before the horse, and most of the burden is pressed on the heads of the peasants.

Therefore, on the issue of taxation, Su Tiancheng's determination is very firm, and he also knows that this problem is probably the biggest problem and the most difficult for everyone to accept.

Sure enough, in the process of discussion, everyone was in favor of lightly leviing and paying a small tax, and the reason for this light tax was raised to Su Tiancheng's wisdom, showing Su Tiancheng's concern for the people and Su Tiancheng's benevolence.

But then the contradiction appeared, where did the officials come from, if there was no support from taxes, everything would be in vain, and as for plundering the wealth of other countries and carrying out foreign expansion, under the current situation, there is not much possibility, so if the problem of taxation is not solved, all the matters discussed above will have no foothold.

Zhu Xianxuan and Yang Sichang and others obviously also thought of these problems, so on this issue, the debate is the most intense, Zhu Xianxuan proceeded from the actual situation, and because he had more exchanges with Su Tiancheng, he was completely in favor of increasing taxes, and the focus of taxation was inclined to the transactions of businessmen, and the actual experience of Dengzhou, Laizhou and Qingzhou had already helped Zhu Xianxuan change his understanding, but unfortunately Yang Sichang and others had not been able to fully understand this.

In the process of controversy, Zhu Xianxuan belonged to a typical minority, and those who supported him were Zhang Pu and others.

The discussion lasted for a whole day, during which the rest of the time was discussed except for the time for eating, and the matter of taxation was also the most discussed topic and the most controversial topic, although Yang Sichang and others knew that increasing taxes must be Su Tiancheng's meaning, but since they became Su Tiancheng's subordinates, they must be in a responsible attitude and explain all the truths clearly.

From this aspect, there have been so many arguments, this is a good thing, if everyone stops talking and does it completely according to Su Tiancheng's requirements, it is definitely not a good phenomenon, because everyone can't understand, can't understand the mystery, passively execute, the effect must be unsatisfactory.

Su Tiancheng has been listening very carefully, for a whole day, he did not interject, nor did he express his own opinions, but he was brewing how to say, how to let everyone understand the things he decided, in fact, the views he put forward are all in the process of social progress, and the experience summed up is absolutely able to lead the Ming Dynasty to prosperity, wealth and strength, but unfortunately it is impossible for everyone on the scene to understand the truth.

Su Tiancheng was still happy when there was such a controversy, the rules of governance were originally produced in quarrels and compromises, and everyone completely expressed their opinions, and then they put forward targeted measures according to these opinions, and persuaded everyone to be able to implement them sincerely.

Of course, it is impossible to completely ask everyone to be convinced, how can it be possible to discard something that has been inherited for thousands of years, but what is decided must be implemented, and if you don't understand it, you must implement it, and you will continue to understand it in the process of implementation. (To be continued......)