Yang Reform and Sun Chengzong walked for a while, asked a bunch of questions, but never got to the main question they wanted to say, this question, with the current situation, I really don't know how to explain it to the world, I'm afraid no one can think that this "capital" will come to the world, what kind of beast it will be.

The formation of capitalism and industrialization will inevitably be piled up by layers of white bones.

But now the Ming Dynasty is a country that has shouted "benevolence, righteousness, morality" for 1,000 or 2,000 years, which is louder, more realistic, and more deeply rooted in the hearts of the people than the slogan of "human rights." Yang Gai knows that this capitalist or industrialization transformation has been carried out to a certain extent, but he is afraid that this problem will become an acute problem.

On the one hand, the culture and tradition that have been passed down in society for one or two thousand years, with the commanding heights of morality, the ideology of society, and the values of society: on the other hand, it is a new class that has been carefully cultivated, a new group that occupies the main position in society, and has been free from the fate of two thousand years.

Of course, Yang Reform does not want to see that "capital" will inevitably come to the world in the process of Gongshan Ping, but he also does not want "capital" to wanton the world, and he is not willing to reproduce the process of capitalism and industrialization in the West in the Ming Dynasty. There are considerable differences in the ideologies and values of society, and it is certainly not possible to completely copy the capitalist process and the industrialization process in the West, and the huge difference between the two will only interrupt the process of industrialization.

This is a new problem facing Yang reform, a problem that has to be faced and cautious, and a problem that must be solved and guarded against at all times.

Yang Gai knows that he understands this problem, but in this Ming Dynasty, is there anyone else who understands? It's not that I don't have a way to deal with it, but is it feasible?

Qu Gao and Ji ......

Loner......

Yang Gengai looked at the great Ming Dynasty and could not see anyone who could have a deep dialogue with him in this regard. For such a big matter, I can't find a person to discuss, and I think of countermeasures and ideas by myself alone, which is speculation. There will definitely be problems in the future, and when the time comes, you can only do it yourself in a hurry, and the people below will be busy with their work. That's quite bad, to deal with this problem, it is certainly not enough to rely on one's own efforts, and there must be a group of people who understand this matter and are willing to help them deal with it.

Yang Gengai let out a long sigh, and from the complicated thoughts, he tried to find the thread, hoping to explain the problem in accurate words.

"Presumably Master Sun also knows that I am now supporting industry and commerce." Yang Reform was silent for a while, and finally asked, these things, if you don't say it, you are really unhappy in your heart, you don't find someone to discuss, you hold it in your heart, and you will gather hurt.

"Back to Your Majesty, you know that Shinong Industrial and Commercial Furniture is the foundation of the country, and it should be supported ......," Sun Chengzong said. This point of view is not new, there have been many people who have made such voices before, and what the emperor is doing now undoubtedly shows what the emperor is doing, and it is not surprising that Sun Chengzong has this point of view.

"Well, Master Sun continued" Yang Gai saw Sun Chengzong's unfinished expression, and continued to ask.

"Heavy agriculture is the only way to eat, heavy industry and business, only then can there be a good tool, only then can there be a variety of uses, only then can there be enough tax burden, the world can be stable, and it is not possible to focus on a certain item alone" Sun Chengzong began a long list of explanations.

"Well, yes, they should all be taken seriously, but has Master Sun thought about what it will happen after the industry and commerce grow?" Yang Reform asked, the Ming Dynasty's current vision and thinking, according to Yang Reform's judgment, is still at the point of advocating equal emphasis on agriculture and industry, and the things after the growth of industry and commerce are still blank, belonging to the field that no one has yet involved, and Yang Reform is troubled by this field, as the saying goes, half a step fast is a genius, one step faster is a madman, Yang Reform is now thinking about things that are one step faster than others, naturally it is self-seeking trouble, not becoming a madman, it is already good.

In fact, this is not one step faster than others, in fact, it should be said that it is infinitely close to one step faster, or in other words, one and a half steps can not add a half step, now Shinong industry and commerce pay equal attention, especially the gradual growth of industry and commerce has gradually become a reality, and gradually become inevitable, in fact, it has come to the end of the vision and thinking of the Ming Dynasty people, the Ming Dynasty people saw, think, advocate this "half step",

has completed the key xìng progress, and now is in the key point of just stepping on this "half step" and starting to think about the next "half step", and this point is now a blank, this is what Yang Reform is worried about, looking up, I can't find a person who can discuss the next "half step" with myself......

“… What about the growth of industry and commerce? This, back to Your Majesty, this should be a good thing..."Sun Chengzong looked at the emperor suspiciously, and said a lot of benefits after the industrial and commercial development, such as having enough tax revenue, the old surname can afford more things, can accommodate more people to work, and so on.

Yang Gengai couldn't help nodding, indeed as he expected, Sun Chengzong's vision and thinking, although far and higher than ordinary people, in fact, only took half a step more than ordinary people, what he saw and thought of, is still advocating this step, and now advocating this step has been taken and realized, and the next half step is obviously not being considered, or in other words, there is no systematic thinking, and there is no systematic "answer" and conclusion. Of course, Yang Reform does not expect Sun Chengzong to take one step more than others, in that case, Sun Chengzong will not be a normal person, but a madman.

"However, there are pros and cons to everything, what Master Sun said is the good side, but can you consider the bad side?" Yang Gai stood on the corner of taking "many steps" more than others, enlightening Sun Chengzong.

"The bad side?" Your Majesty is also reasonable, if you talk about the bad side, then the minister said earlier that the matter of the southern pit mines, can be regarded as the bad side, the local tyrants are forced to drive people who have no place to live into the mountains to work, and those who can come out are often only half, which can be regarded as quite bad, such as after the growth of industry and commerce in the future, these situations should be avoided, and the ministers see that Your Majesty's new businesses and factories are undoubtedly doing well, and Your Majesty seems to have precautions against these aspects............... "Speaking of this, Sun Chengzong thoughtfully, Sun Chengzong's vision is indeed a cut above ordinary people, and when he heard the emperor say this, he immediately thought of a lot, and asked about the emperor's own business name.

"Yes, I do have some preparations in this regard, and it is said that it is a precaution, and it is true, I have been thinking, if the two industries of industry and commerce are really stronger and bigger, become a pole of existence, and can be in charge of the two poles, what kind of scene will it be, Master Sun might as well make a limit deduction from the good and bad aspects." Yang Gai continued, this can be regarded as enlightening Sun Chengzong.

"..............., this ...... Extreme inference......... "Sun Chengzong is obviously also in a daze, this problem, he has not considered it, however, he doesn't know what the specific situation will be, Fu is something that has never happened before."

“…… If this industry and commerce become a pole......,......... If it is the limit of the good side, then the first thing is naturally that there is enough tax burden, so that the court can do a lot, and the utensils will be more sufficient, the goods in the world can be exchanged, and the sharp weapons will be more profitable, and more people can be accommodated to work, and the surname can perform its ......own business. Sun Chengzong said several good aspects in a row.

“…… If you talk about the limit of the bad side, this, the minister thinks, maybe this profit-seeking heart is the most terrible thing after the growth of the second industry and commerce" Sun Chengzong said the benefits, when he said that it was not good, he hesitated for a long time, and then said, the limit of the benefits really has a limit, Sun Chengzong can also imagine it, but the limit of this bad side, Sun Chengzong is unwilling to think about it, it is too cruel.

"Well, go on......" Yang Reform looked at Sun Chengzong, his vision was indeed higher than that of ordinary people, but he was noncommittal, and planned to let Sun Chengzong finish what he said in his heart, and he intended to take a look at Sun Chengzong's vision and see there.

“… As the minister said before, in order to pursue profits, there are powerful people in the south who will drive the poor and destitute and unable to survive into the mountains to open mines, and after years and months, those who can get out of the mountains are only half, and if you want to talk about the extreme situation after the growth of industry and commerce, it may be even worse, and it may not even be two or three percent..............." Sun Chengzong frowned and said the limit of what he felt was bad.

"Yes, then why would Master Sun think so?" Yang Reform listened to Sun Chengbi's words, but he was a little surprised, Sun Chengzong would also think so, thinking that the profit-seeking of this capital would become more and more devouring people, which made Yang Reform a little surprised, and then asked.

"..............., this, the minister doesn't know where to start, but he just thinks that it will be born like this, fortunately, His Majesty seems to have already considered this problem, whether it is business, industry, wages or anything is higher, and it has gradually become a rule, presumably for this matter," Sun Chengzong said.

Yang Reform nodded, Sun Chengzong can take this step into account, and it is probably the limit. Standing in the corner where you are now, it is not enough to just think about it.

These preventive measures are of course good, but in fact, they are not good, the capital has not been completely released, whether it can completely jump into the idea of capital, industrialization is still unknown, the actual history book of the evaluation of the late Ming Dynasty has the germ of capitalism, why is it a sprout, can not grow into a towering tree? Why can't capitalism really be done? Not only did the Ming Dynasty have a bud but could not enter the industrialized society, including the Song Dynasty, which had a relatively advanced commodity economy, but also did not enter the capitalist and industrialized society......

Thinking of this, Yang Gai felt that his thoughts were a thousand things.