With this level of humility, others are naturally not qualified to participate.

Lu Ming didn't mean to ask, and directly returned to Dudu and Jiandang and the others.

When he first arrived, his aunt and grandmother pulled him with admiration and whispered, "Yan Qingqing, you reacted so quickly, we didn't react just now, you rubbed it and rushed away, fortunately, you went over to hold it, otherwise if you don't accept what to do, we don't know what to do." ”

"Really?" Lu Ming was a little embarrassed, "Actually, I subconsciously ran over just now, I didn't think about it so much at the time, my mind was blank after the past, now I think about it, in fact, I am reckless, if I don't handle it well, maybe things will be messed up by me." ”

"Qingqing, you are so modest......" Grandma actually praised again, which made Lu Ming complacent for a while.

Liuxiang couldn't stand it, "Don't say good things about this dead profiteer, look at what virtues he has achieved, he has never been praised in his life, and the typical sunshine will be shining if he is given a little sunshine...... By the way, what were they talking about? I don't understand anything that is thick and modern, and I can't understand it......"

Everyone shook their heads.

Still Jian Dang said, "We don't know Go, of course we don't know what the situation is in their Go world, I'll ask Guanglingsan, although he is not a professional, but he always pays attention to this news, and will always know some information." ”

This question is more than ten minutes.

The two chess masters on the stage also conceded for a long time on the issue of seats, and after Sun Lao began to speak, he first used the identity of the director of the chess sports management center, and talked about a bunch of clichés such as "marketization", "league significance", "training young chess players", and "establishing a Go atmosphere among young people", which was originally a long and smelly content, and Sun Lao was still quite unproficient in what he said, and he played seven or eight sections in a row on this draft, not to mention that Jian Dang only asked for ten minutes, even if he asked for half an hour, there would be no problem.

When Jian Dang finally came back to his senses, everyone began to understand what was going on......

"I asked Guanglingsan, and he said that the professional Go circle does seem to despise the ancient game, and there are many chess giants who have criticized this situation positively, but to what extent...... Guanglingsan said that he didn't know very well, but the few professional chess players he was lucky enough to meet seemed to tell him that some of Guda's very well-known chess players, such as Shi Xiangxia and Fan Xiping, are only at the level of about six to seven professional dan now, of course, I don't know if these examples he gave are typical. ”

"Why is this happening?" Liuxiang asked suspiciously.

"According to Guanglingsan, the ancient and modern rules of Go are different, the ancients thought that if you want to live, you must have eyes, and since this is the case, then these eyes cannot be counted as your territory - because you fill in your chess and die.

It is precisely because of this idea that the ancients had a rule of returning the chess head, and every extra piece of land must be returned to the opponent;

Therefore, the ancients liked to play all the pieces together, but modern Go does not have this kind of rule, and the eye position is also counted, so everyone will not force it to be connected on the ground - you can go to the Internet to see the chess scores of professional players, and the games are very scattered, one here, one there, one corner 108,000 miles away, and the board is very full.

And then, the rule extends further, and you want to connect the corners unless you want to go around the surface...... This kind of thing is not possible if you think about it with people of the same level, so the ancients attached great importance to the Central Plains region, which is not consistent with the concept of modern Go golden horn and silver edge grass belly;

And then there is another point is to abandon the child, in the modern game of Go, the mention is not the purpose, if you want to give up, you will give up, but in the ancient chess, the mention directly counts your dead person, and the settlement must be counted into the results, so the ancients will never abandon the child until the last resort, and will never attack the opponent who has set up the iron bucket array.

In fact, Guanglingsan also made a joke with me at the time, he said that the ancients played chess as a 'war game deduction', and the two sides used flags to set up a battle in battle, while modern people only regarded it as a game.

Regardless of whether his statement is justified or not, in short, the difference in the rules of ancient and modern Go must bring about the difference in the style of the players.

It is these differences in style that give modern people the intuitive feeling that ancient chess emphasizes the field and ignores the external situation, and emphasizes tactics and ignores strategy.

And, now that there are two chess games in front of you, one board is very full, and there are basically no spaces to be seen, and the other is full of empty corners, so do you think the game is of a higher level?

It must be the one that's full.

The ancients' chess is just too much empty space, and from the perspective of modern Go concepts, the level may not be very good.

In this case, how much do you think today's young chess players will attach importance to ancient scores?

It's useless to learn it. ”

Liuxiang didn't understand, "Since it's useless to learn, why was the old man surnamed Liu so angry just now?" ”

Jian Dang said, "The concept is different, that is the feeling of the whole plate is different, but the local details of the things can definitely still be dug up, playing chess, the left side of the square, the right side of the grid, in the eyes of the layman there is no difference, but in fact, the effect is really different, because chess is in a sense more than the computing power of both sides, before each drop you have to consider what will happen after a few steps or even dozens of steps, if I can wipe out the opponent after more than ten steps of a very powerful tactic, Then it must be more effective. ”

"More than ten steps? No way? Liuxiang was a little unconvinced, "Then your opponent is not a machine, how do you know what he will do next?" I won't say that there are hundreds of squares on the board, but just say that there are more than 10 squares next to you, and then your opponent has 9 choices, and then you have 8, and your opponent has 7 more...... In this way, you have to think about each floor, I'm afraid that hours have passed, right? Where is there so much time? ”

"That's why there's such a thing as a formula." Jian Dang replied, "It's really tiring to get to the middle game, but at least in the layout stage, you don't need to think about it so much, because everyone has summed up one set of optimal solutions after another, and the reason why the formulas can become the formulas is because they are the most suitable for the rules of modern Go."

Of course, there are many, many formulas, hundreds, and they are also very complicated, but it's much simpler than trying to do it yourself, right?

I use this set, you use that set, both sides put it out, hey, I see your routine, you also see my routine, either of us can take the initiative to jump out and change to another set of formulas that can suppress the opponent, and the same can also be prepared for defense in advance by guessing which set you will change at that time.

In Guanglingsan's words, this is like a liberal arts exam, there is no standard answer in the true sense, but there are many sets of 'more applicable' answers, which one to use depends on the occasion.

Some answers may be that only certain types of grading teachers will like them, and the vast majority of others may give you 0 points, some answers may be able to please the vast majority of teachers, but if you run into some people, you may look good, and some answers are that teachers don't like them and will not give high marks, but there is no reason to give low marks;

If you can grasp all the answers, it is of course a matter of choice and style, depending on whether you want to get a high score or want to be stable and get a decent one;

But what if you can't master that much? Then I can't help you, if you encounter a problem, you know such a solution, then of course you can only write like that, and after you finish writing, pray that God will never meet a teacher who doesn't like this solution.

What does this mean when we go back to Go?

If you can master 100 sets of formulas well - not only memorize the shape of chess, but also understand why you play that way, why you play that way in each move, and what problems you will face if you don't play that way, then you can play chess with someone who can also master 100 sets of formulas, and the victory or defeat depends on whether the two sides are on the spot and whether the chess style is right;

But if you can only master 20 sets, then no matter how you choose, you can't win those who can master 100 sets, because each of the 80 sets has at least four or five ways to kill you.

It's that simple, it's that realistic. ”

Liuxiang suddenly realized, "I understand, the old man just now scolded the current chess players for being obsessed with fixed patterns and not knowing how to be flexible." ”

"It's not that simple," Jian Dang shook his head, "Actually, there is such a thing...... Go is ever-changing, even if there are many people who play chess, they can only study dozens of moves in advance in the early layout stage, and when they reach the middle game, where can there be a formula for you to memorize?

In fact, the real test of chess power in modern Go is to start from the middle game, and if there is no mistake in the layout stage, that is the foundation of the foundation. So why do people have a difference in rank?

Formulas are one thing, but you can't degrade a player just because they exist.

For example, our country has a 99 multiplication formula table, but foreigners don't, and then a foreigner comes over and says that the reason why Chinese students are good at math is because of the multiplication formula table, not because of our Chinese students' hard work...... Do you agree with this statement?

Everyone knows that every student memorizes the formula, and everyone knows the same formulas and theorems, but why is everyone's learning good or bad?

This is just a tool, there is nothing to say, I believe that he Liu Lao mastered these things absolutely better than the vast majority of chess players, so how could he criticize the existence of the formula? Doesn't this criticize him himself?

The meaning of what he just said, let me say, is actually very simple......

You can not learn the ancient formula, because it is no longer tested, and it is really meaningless;

However, the chess power shown by the ancients when they began to fight after playing chess to the middle game should be learned, and even from the current concept of Go, there are still many that can be applied.

And even if you say it can't be applied, it won't hurt to read it.

Isn't it true that the wheels of history are all turning, and every move in chess is improvised by the human brain, and the ancients improvised the tricks under that board...... How can you be so sure that modern people will not be able to get off under the same market conditions?

Aren't they all human brains? How wise is the brains of today's people than those of old?

I think the IQ of modern people is not as good as the ancients, you see that in the Tang Dynasty, there was already such a thing as an incense burner, and there are still very simple small objects that rich people use from house to house, and they are put to this day...... What is the difference between the so-called high-tech gyroscopes in modern times and the toys of Mrs. Kuo, a rich lady nearly 1,500 years ago?

What you do is not necessarily as ingenious as others!

Also, Luban lock, the ancient carpenter had the ability to make a thing out, he dared to compare himself with Luban and even recognized that modern people have that creativity? ”

Liuxiang disagreed after hearing it, "According to this, I am quite sorry for those chess players, the chess of the ancients, there are indeed good places, and there must be a lot of chess moves worth learning from, but how much is this lot?"

As you just said, the rules of ancient and modern times are different, the general environment has changed, and no matter how high the attainments of the ancient masters are, it is difficult to get out of their environment, right?

Even I, a layman who doesn't know about Go at all, can figure out that a considerable part of the ancient tricks will definitely not be valid at all today;

Anyway, I'm playing chess with modern people, and I'm not going back to ancient times to play chess with the ancients, so why should I spend so much energy studying ancient chess?

Wouldn't it be more efficient to save these energies and study more modern Go? Isn't my strength improving faster? ”

Jian Dang replied, "So, this issue, in the modern Go world, it is indeed controversial. ”

When Liuxiang heard it, she was happy, and she smiled directly on her face, and she couldn't help but grab people and chant, "Take a look, I'll just say it......"

The others also laughed, this guy Liuxiang, he just simply lifted a bar just now, but it was nonsense to raise the bar before, but this time the blind cat ran into a dead mouse and actually lifted her right!

But Jian Dang said again, "What you just said is indeed a reason, but more because of another level......

Go is such a talent.

In other industries, ordinary people do not work hard to the point where they need to compete with others;

But it is true that the average person is not smart enough to be qualified to work hard.

Now there are two arguments in front of you, one says that studying ancient chess can improve your chess strength, and the other says that the ancients are the same whether you learn them or not......

The former, in theory, is true...... But you can't find an example to prove that the contrary view is false;

It's hard to find an example of the kind of chess that stagnates because you don't study ancient chess, and you can only say there, 'He didn't reach a higher level because he despised ancient chess', which doesn't necessarily hold up from a logical point of view;

The latter argument can find countless counter-examples to refute one's opponents.

Do you see that there are so many super-first-class chess players in history, how many of them have achieved results by studying ancient scores?

In fact, this sentence may not be true......

Many super-first-class chess players don't study ancient scores, and it is true that people don't study ancient scores, but he doesn't study modern chess scores.

He didn't need to study at all, he was already able to produce such results by relying on his own talent.

But you say that...... That's a bit of a strong rhetoric, isn't it? ”

(End of chapter)