The 1139 88 is comparable to the 359 field
The various properties of the 359 tank are almost all hanging Type 88.
The main gun, the Type 88 uses the 105 rifled gun, and the 359 is a smoothbore gun carrying the 125; in terms of armor, the Type 88 uses homogeneous steel armor and special steel protection, the 359 uses homogeneous steel armor as the basic armor, and the outside is to increase Chobham to meet the armor, if you are willing to give money, there is a layer of reactive armor, a total of three layers of defense; the power system, the Type 88 is a little stronger, after all, the 359 only has a 780 horsepower domestic engine available, and the Type 88 can be imported from abroad to a turbocharged engine with a variable compression ratio of 1200 horsepower......
No matter how flexible it is, it is in vain, and in the face of the 359 tank, it is completely a dead shot.
Therefore, the Type 88 main battle tank lost the favor of the armored forces, and this order was obtained by the 359 tanks that were exported to domestic sales.
Mr. Zhu obviously doesn't want to talk about the comparison between the Type 88 main battle tank and the 359.
Qiao Bamu is in line with the armor, and the new gun steel and other technologies are all pinched in the hands of the 404, otherwise, the Type 88 main battle tank will not introduce the barrel of the American tank gun with a service life of only 200~300 rounds.
And Chobham composite armor, only 404 has mastered it in China, Type 88 is an improved design that was originally Type 80, and the basis of Type 80 is also 59.
The 359, which is almost the ultimate form of the 59 tank, basically has no plans to improve on this.
The chassis with 5 pairs of load-bearing wheels carried 125 guns, which was already the limit.
"Mr. Zhu, I don't say this to say whose technology is better or whatever, that is useless. As R&D personnel of military science and technology, we must not reduce technical performance because of cost, and we cannot reduce performance for the sake ......of cost," Xie Kai said, "In fact, this is the biggest difference between us and foreign countries." ”
"You can't ignore the technological gap between us and the rest of the world. Mr. Zhu looked at Xie Kai, although he felt that Xie Kai was right, he still told Xie Kai very seriously.
The technological base of China is very different from that of foreign countries.
The gap in technology is also the reason why various technical projects cannot go directly to high performance like abroad.
In the past few years, many key national defense science and technology projects have been launched because the technological gap is too large, too much capital needs to be consumed, and at the same time, it also takes too long to support the foundation before it can break through.
"The technology gap has to be considered. But at present, the domestic third-generation tank project could have made the performance better. Just because of the cost, the performance requirements are reduced...... Xie Kai said, "although this can quickly produce results, and even reduce the price, the research equipment has fallen behind, and then continue to spend money on research ......."
Zhu boss was silent.
There are many tank models that have been researched in 617 over the years, but none of them can be used on a large scale for domestic reloading.
Type 80 is not good, and Type 88 is not good either.
The research will be used as the technical basis at most, and the development will continue.
Type 88 is only a second-generation tank, and the third-generation main battle tanks of advanced foreign countries have already been installed.
"What's the point of researching it out if the troops can't afford to equip it?" Mr. Zhu muttered.
In this regard, he and Xie Kai can't talk together, and it is impossible to unify their opinions.
"As a technical reserve. Moreover, because of its advanced performance, the newly developed equipment can even promote the transformation of the army's combat mode. "It was evident in the Iran-Iraq war that both sides had advanced weapons and equipment, but both sides still adopted the mode of operation of the First World War......
The Iran-Iraq war has now become the focus of research in countries around the world.
Both countries have the most advanced weapons and equipment, but they have fought a low-level war with high-tech equipment.
It is impossible for a country like China, which has grown up from war, to command to such a level, but if it does not understand high-performance weapons and equipment, commanders can only use the existing model to command wars, and likewise cannot give full play to the advanced performance of equipment.
"Just like the special brigade, although the 359 tanks are all exported, from the very beginning, they have been studying the combat methods of the troops after equipping such high-performance tanks...... This is the first blue army unit in China, and if war really breaks out, this unit can be at least equal to the size of the ordinary army in the country by 5 times!" Xie Kai said modestly.
In the new period, the style of fighting with advanced weapons and equipment is not at all the style of play that domestic commanders have in their impressions.
Originally, they thought that the armored forces would open the way, the artillery would support them in the rear, and the air units would seize air supremacy or something, and the war would be a matter of time.
Now the ground forces have a strong air defense capability, and the tactical support forces even launch tactical support missiles or something when the two anti-anti-aircraft forces are not in contact......
Otherwise, when military spending is scarce, the troops will not agree to equip the special operations brigade with so much advanced equipment.
The equipment of a brigade exceeds the firepower of a division.
Zhu Yusheng was silent.
Zheng Yucheng and the others were also silent.
The special operations brigade is nearby, and it is said that the military is preparing to organize an exercise in which other major military regions in the country will take turns to mobilize elite troops to compete with the special operations brigade.
From the very beginning, the special operations brigade has been defined as the blue army of the blue army, and all major military regions have mobilized capable forces to organize a blue army unit to test the combat effectiveness of the troops and find ways to improve the combat effectiveness of the troops through the exercises.
However, so far, the special operations brigade has never held a confrontation exercise with a major military region.
As the blue army of the blue army, the special operations brigade is not comparable to the ordinary troops in China in terms of equipment and training intensity, and of course, it is not something that the military can support.
This force is too depleted.
"Therefore, advanced equipment can be equipped in small quantities in the case of insufficient funds, rather than not being equipped because the cost is too high, let alone reducing performance indicators to simplify equipment...... Numbers can no longer determine the outcome of a war, otherwise, the country would not have carried out a million-dollar disarmament. The military expenditure saved by disarmament is to improve the combat capability of the troops......" Xie Kai fell into deep thought when he saw that Mr. Zhu had basically achieved his goal.
After the prototype of the 99 tank came out, it could not compete with the international leading M1A3 and Leopard-2, and the number of armored forces was not large.
The old 99 tank, because of the use of the lower anti-stable image fire control system, the transmission also uses a hydraulic torque converter and brake, which is higher than the pure mechanical transmission of the T-72, but can not be compared with the M1 and Leopard-2, etc., and even the protection and firepower are much worse.
The later 99 changes were also only equipped with a small amount for testing, until the final 99 major changes appeared, when the technology of the fire control system and power system was broken through, and there were even comments that the 99 major changes became the best performing tank in the world.
Even the best tanks in the world, the number of 99 overhauls, are very small.
It is speculated that the total number of all Type 99 main battle tanks does not exceed 200.
The number is small, and it is also equipped, isn't it?
Zhu boss's worries are superfluous.
"In fact, after the Type 88 continues to improve, it can still be used as a main battle tank, and the current situation shows that the domestic demand for low-end tanks is greater. Xie Kai said.
When Zheng Yucheng and the others heard this, they even laughed out loud.
They thought Xie Kai was making fun of the Type 88 main battle tank, which had six pairs of load-bearing wheels.
"Why don't you say the 359 tank?" Zhu Yusheng asked Xie Kai.
As for whether Xie Kai laughed at the 88 tank, he simply did not care.
The Type 88 main battle tank, as Xie Kai said, is only the accumulation of technical experience, which is also a channel to understand Western tank technology, and it is not impossible to improve it later, and it is not impossible to surpass the 359 tank.
"Isn't this thing already equipped by the army? Although there are not many of them, there is only one battalion, and I think that when the time comes, when it is compared with the Type 88 main battle tank, the troops will know what to choose. Xie Kai said calmly.
Zheng Yucheng and the others looked at Xie Kai with some incredulity when they heard Xie Kai say this.
Mr. Zhu also looked at Xie Kai with some surprise, "Do you know the news?"
"What's the news?" Zheng Yucheng was anxious.
"The modification of the 359 tank for export to domestic sales will be compared with the Type 88 main battle tank, and it is estimated that whoever has more outstanding performance will be chosen by the troops. Xie Kai said calmly.
The Type 88 belongs to the predecessor of the 96 series of tanks, because the Type 96 tank is also the 88C!
It can be said that the military does not like the Type 88, but there is no way, the former military has no choice but to choose this tank.
Even then, the number of 96 tank armaments was not too much.
Now that there is a choice, whether it is firepower or protection capabilities, the 359 tank is far superior to the Type 88 main battle tank, in fact, there is no need to compare at all.
"Type 88 is not afraid of being embarrassed? Do you still want to compete with our 359 on the same stage? Are they ready to compete with our tanks in terms of offensive firepower or defensive capabilities?" asked Zheng Yucheng with a look of disdain.
"Yes, there is no comparison at all, right?" Zhang Deming, as the chief engineer of the 359 tank, did not mention the pride in his heart.
He knows better than anyone the specific performance of the 359 tank, and the Type 88 doesn't know much, as if only the power system is stronger than the 359.
Others think so, too.
"Comparing them will shut up those people. On the battlefield between Iran and Iraq, there were not too many opportunities for the 359 tank to show its face. What's more, the domestic tests are also kept secret, and the training of the special operations brigade is not open......," Xie Kai said.
Originally, he guessed, but Mr. Zhu's reaction told him that he really thought so.
It's better than that.
When the time comes, just let 617 take a look at it again.
The people of 617 have never felt that the 359 tank is really advanced, and the reason why it can be exported to Iraq on a large scale is because the people of 404 will fool.
After all, the 359 tank, a lot of spare parts, 617 also helped to produce.
"When?" Zheng Yucheng asked, "I'm looking forward to it, and I'm going to take a good look at the wonderful expressions of the two tanks after they compete together." ”
It's not Zheng Yucheng who is looking forward to it.
There are all the other leaders of 404.
With contrast, there will be harm.
For a long time, even the Ministry of Armored Forces did not know too much about the specific performance of the 359 tank.