725 If you don't copy the F-14, you have to pit the special operations brigade
The U.S. Navy no longer receives F-14s and replaces them with F/A-18 Super Hornets.
This is already something that the whole world knows.
Even the modification of the F-14 fighter is not as big as before.
As a former semi-pseudo-Tomcat party, Xie Kai knew that in 1988, that is, next year, a batch of F-14s would be upgraded in terms of radar, avionics and missile payload capacity, becoming the last model of Tomcat, F-14D.
Eventually, all of these F-14Ds will be retired in 2006, and since then, the only aircraft carrier-based aircraft fighter of the United States has been the F/A-18.
"So what? They don't continue to receive them, and they are equipped with hundreds, if not thousands! Zheng Yucheng still did not give up.
Xie Kai squinted at Zheng Yucheng, "Uncle Zheng, you have to do whatever project you see." Tell me, what is the advantage of the variable sweep wing? If it's just for the sake of technology, we can't use it now, so why bother?"
Wasting money is not.
"Yes, I think Xie Kai is right. Yang Qian supported Xie Kai with both hands.
"Yang Qian, don't fan the flames here, as long as you don't spend money, you will support it. You said that you are so boring, you have tens of billions in your hands, and you are reluctant to spend a little money!" Before Zheng Yucheng could speak, Qi Zhiyuan became dissatisfied. "If you discuss whether the technology is appropriate or not, there is no need to talk about it far away. ”
Qi Zhiyuan is afraid.
He was afraid that if it was involved in the aircraft carrier project, in the end, Xie Kai, Yang Qian and Wang Guilin would unite to oppose it, and the project would be a big problem.
Even if it continues, pre-research some funds that need to be paid in advance, then don't think about it.
"The biggest advantage of variable sweep wing technology is that it can use a small sweep angle during take-off and landing to improve the lift of the front end of the wing and reduce the running distance; when flying at high subsonic speed and supersonic speed, it adopts a large sweep angle to improve acceleration performance and high-speed flight ability, reduce the requirements for engine thrust and reduce fuel ......consumption," Xie Kai saw that Zheng Yucheng couldn't speak, so he helped.
Dare to oppose the variable sweep wing, naturally come up with convincing reasons, right?
"So many advantages are not enough, the thrust that our engine can provide is not enough......" Zheng Yucheng grasped the question in Xie Kai's words and hurriedly retorted.
"Don't worry. I'll talk about the shortcomings, and if you still insist on this technology, I won't say anything. Xie Kai looked at Zheng Yucheng and smiled.
Zheng Yucheng chuckled in his heart.
He really knows Xie Kai too well, if he really refutes it, the more obvious the advantages are said, the more unobjectionable the disadvantages are said later.
"One of the biggest defects of the variable sweep-wing aircraft is that the wing rotation mechanism is complex, and the weight of the entire wing changing mechanism is very large, which increases the weight of the fuselage, reduces the wing suspension points, reduces the load, and reduces the flexibility. This also increases the complexity of the entire mechanism and the number of firmware, and at the same time causes a decrease in structural strength, which can only be compensated for by more advanced materials...... Even so, the complexity of the mechanism can reduce reliability, which leads to a geometric increase in maintenance costs in the later stage. The U.S. Navy, the richest in the world, no longer accepts the F-14 as a carrier-based aircraft because it cannot afford the increasingly expensive maintenance costs. Xie Kai spoke very slowly.
Everyone understood.
With this technology, the R&D cost is high, the production cost is high, and the maintenance cost is equally high.
At present, the People's Liberation Army, which cannot afford to replace its poor equipment, simply cannot support such huge expenses.
Everyone thought that Xie Kai would not continue, but after he paused to let everyone digest it, he continued: "Let's take the F-14 as an example, in terms of aerodynamic shape design, the ailerons have been canceled, and in order to achieve structural strength, the key parts must be made of titanium alloy, and conventional welding methods cannot be used. Also, to compensate for the missing part of the trailing edge of the wing, airbag-like components are used...... The structure of the entire fighter is complex, and the handling is equally complex. The complex structure reduces the load, which further limits the improvement of a series of performance such as shape and stealth...... Guys, can anyone tell me how much we can afford? Will it be at a high cost, or will we be able to afford to spend a lot of money on a design that will not be used in the design of our future fighters?"
You can hear pins falling throughout the room.
Zheng Yucheng really couldn't find a reason to refute it.
"But now, we want to copy the F-14, what if we don't solve it?" Qi Zhiyuan's face was full of resentment.
Xie Kai really didn't want to agree to copy the F-14.
If you can't figure out this change-swept wing technology, copying the F-14 is just an empty word.
"Fixed-wing, don't you say? This may be equivalent to redesigning the aerodynamic layout, and if it is designed, the same weight, whether it is range, combat radius, maneuverability or bomb load, will be much higher than that of the F-14. Xie Kai said sonorously, "If we want to engage in stealth fighters, we must start accumulating from here, otherwise, it will be difficult to carry out pre-research work." ”
"What about power? Also, our ...... was originally for the aircraft carrier project," Qi Zhiyuan tested whether Xie Kai wanted to oppose the aircraft carrier project.
Xie Kai looked at Qi Zhiyuan, and everyone looked at him.
"Uncle Qi, tell me, how long does it take for our aircraft carrier to be launched?" Xie Kai suddenly smiled, making Qi Zhiyuan's heart tighten.
"Now it's just a pre-research, and according to the current development of domestic technology and the development of the national economy, it will take at least 20 years. Qi Zhiyuan still answered, although he didn't know what pit Xie Kai dug for him.
"So, in the next 20 years, we will continue to invest in the power system, can we make a high-thrust engine that is suitable for use? Even if we can't do it, can we introduce a technology in 20 years?" Xie Kai asked.
Everyone smiled wryly.
Who can make sure that twenty years will make it?
Who's to say that it can't be done in twenty years?
"In addition, in terms of aerodynamic layout, after 20 years of research, can't we figure it out? We have the F-14 as the foundation!" He didn't say, in a few years, there will still be a Su-27 in China for reference.
There will even be production lines for the Su-27 and Su-30.
"Didn't you say that the F-14's variable-swept wing technology can't be used?" Zheng Yucheng didn't understand, did Xie Kai oppose it, or did he oppose it?
Anyway, he didn't feel Xie Kai's support.
"We didn't use the F-14's variable-swept wing, and we improved the aerodynamic layout according to our needs. At this point, if you unite Chengfei, Shen Fei, and Qin Fei, it won't be too much of a problem, right? What our national defense needs now is land-based, heavy fighters with a long range...... The F-14, supplied to us by the Persians, is also a land-based model. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done to get this kind of fighter on the aircraft carrier. Xie Kai gave another reason why the F-14 could not be copied directly.
"What should we do with land-based carrier-based aircraft?" Is it possible that a new project will be launched?" Qi Zhiyuan was even more puzzled.
Isn't it contradictory that Xie Kai opposes the imitation of the F-14, but launches a new project?
It's better to imitate, and the cost is lower.
"Without launching a new project, now the F-14 is mainly based on digestion technology. When the time comes, if possible, merge with the Super-7B project to make a new project. As soon as Xie Kai said this, everyone understood.
The Super -7B project is also a twin-engine fighter, but it is only medium-sized, who says that it is impossible to get a heavy fighter?
"Can it?" Zheng Yucheng was a little puzzled.
"Actually, what we want is the avionics system of the F-14. The power system, to what extent the national production capacity has reached, we will continue to modify. Sooner or later, we will reach the world-class level, as long as we continue to research. The avionics system is a weak point in our country, if we can get the avionics system and fire control system in place, the 82 project that cost 550 million US dollars in China will be ours. Xie Kai said.
The 82 project is that the United States helps China improve the J-8II, so that it can intercept the Tu-22M backfire bomber, the main improvement is the radar and fire control system, although the Chinese side and the United States have also discussed the feasibility of equipping the J-8II with the F404 engine, the final engine or anything, is not involved.
Not only is there a lack of domestic systems, but the development of the electronics industry cannot be mentioned.
This is also something that cannot be helped, the Soviet Union, as a teacher of China's industrial development, cannot compare with the West in terms of electronic technology, and China is naturally worse.
"That's good. Even if we only study avionics and fire control systems, we can make a high profit. The more advanced the fighter, the higher the requirements and the higher the technical content. Wang Guilin smiled and nodded in praise.
I almost gave Xie Kai a thumbs up and praised him.
Xie Kai's objection was really quiet.
The base was originally engaged in the fire control system and avionics system in order to support the super-7 project, but now it is just to improve the technical performance indicators of the original avionics and radar, and the complete F-14 avionics system and fire control radar as a reference, the project is naturally much easier to do, and the cost is much less.
Zheng Yucheng and Qi Zhiyuan were also unable to refute.
Anyway, under the current circumstances, it doesn't matter so much whether to engage in carrier-based aircraft or not.
Aircraft carriers don't have a word, even if they want to practice, they are just a light helicopter carrier of 10,000 tons or 20,000 tons, and these heavy carrier-based aircraft have no aircraft carrier to land at all, right?
"What about carrier-based aircraft training?"
"It won't take a short time to repair the ground training center for carrier-based aircraft, right?" Xie Kai said with a smile, "Maybe, the Super -7 will be on board the ship by then!"
"You kid objected, just to let the super-7 go on board?" Zheng Yucheng also smiled.
Anyway, Super Seven is still a 404 project.
Xie Kai was noncommittal, he didn't have such an idea in the first place, but he was against completely copying the F-14, just a variable sweep wing technology, which could not be overcome in a short period of time.
If this technology has great prospects for future development, he won't mind the base doing this.
With the continuous development of aerodynamics and aero engine technology, after adopting technical means such as leading edge maneuvering flaps, lift fuselage, and side strip wings, to a certain extent, the problem of flight and control of aircraft at high and low speeds has been solved, and the technology is not as complex as the variable sweep wing, the cost is lower, the technology is more advanced, and the development prospects are better, so why not?
As for the Super-7B on board?
Xie Kai really didn't think about it.
At present, the Super 7 project is divided into two, and the Type A, as an advanced training aircraft and a light fighter, has little role in getting on board, and heavy anti-ship missiles cannot be hung with two shots.
Type B, even the prototype has not yet started trial production, and the avionics system and fire control radar have not yet been finalized.
At present, there are models, and if the avionics system and fire control radar change too much, it will also affect the shape and aerodynamic layout.
"Aren't we discussing whether the F-14 will be provided to the special operations brigade to participate in the exercise?" Xie Jianguo, who had rarely spoken, saw that the argument was over, reached an agreement, and finally brought the topic back to the topic.
Everyone was stunned, and then laughed.
"Xie Kai, can you talk about it?" Zheng Yucheng asked Xie Kai to make this decision.
"If we want to study, we have to have more data in flight, and we have to fly anyway, which is indispensable. In the current situation, it is completely possible, and it is still possible to obtain performance data that is extremely close to that of real combat conditions...... At the same time, we can also make the special operations brigade pay part of the cost. In line with the principle that no matter how small a mosquito is, it is also meat, Xie Kai feels that the cost still has to be paid by the special operations brigade.
"What do you mean?" several directors looked at Xie Kai.
"We belong to a research unit, what's the use of the fighters staying with us? Why don't we use them for combat experiments in the special operations brigade, train pilots for heavy fighters, and train seed instructors...... Xie Kai smiled sheepishly.
Silent.
This batch of fighters was obtained at a huge cost to 404, a complete F-14 for 4 J-7, according to international prices, one will reach the level of 28 million US dollars, of course, 404 and Rongfei 132 factory settlement, but only 7 million soft sister coins per cost.
Silent!
I gave it to the special operations brigade, and I asked that side to cooperate with it if I studied it or something.
Silence continues.
Flesh pain, really flesh pain.
404 No matter how rich you are, it is not cost-effective to send such a large amount of equipment to the special operations brigade out of thin air.
"Not only these three are for the special operations brigade, but they will also be repaired later, and they will be provided to them for free!"
"Okay!" Wang Guilin happily patted the table and stood up.
Zheng Yucheng cried with a sad face, "Okay, what? In the future, we will have to beg them! We have spent a lot of money!"
"Xie Kai, explain it to him, this old guy was stupid when he was shocked by the cannonball, and he couldn't figure out such a simple reason. Wang Guilin patted his head.
An expression on my face that I didn't recognize him.
In fact, other people couldn't figure it out, and they all secretly scolded Xie Kai, a little bastard, in their hearts, for eating inside and out, and the future career of the base was favorable.
"Uncle Zheng, if the fighter plane is lost to the special operations brigade, whose fuel consumption and ammunition consumption of the aircraft will be?" Xie Kai said with a smile, "Didn......'t I dislike them for having no money before, and I was afraid that they would conduct live-fire exercises every day?"
The fighters belong to the special operations brigade sequence, and the consumption will have to be the special operations brigade at that time.
There is no way to do this, the F-14 flies more than 100,000 yuan a trip, three planes together, one exercise, no need to hit missiles, no need to drop ground bombs, and there is no fuel money of 300,000 or 400,000 yuan......
Didn't the special operations brigade want to take advantage?