Ren Ke really wanted to pull the direction of the debate back to the direction of "my ancestors Shuyao, Shun, Yu, Tang, Wen, and Wudao".

So he said: "Even if your reasoning is reasonable, maybe a thick burial and a long mourning can really lead to a decrease in population, but after all, this is the way of Yao, Shun, Yu, Tang, Wen, and Wu!" Do you understand what the Holy King does for what he does? ”

"The foolish man sees the wise man drying the reeds in the summer, and only in the winter does he know that the house is to be repaired. How do you know what the Holy King has done, so that you will know it in the future? If you change it at will, you may be like a dull person: you think that the summer is hot, you can take advantage of the cool, and you should not go to dry the reeds. ”

"But by the time winter dawns, it's too late. Therefore, unless you can explain the reasoning behind everything that the White Saint King has done, I will not accept your reasoning. ”

As soon as Ren Ke's words fell, there was a burst of laughter next to him.

He also immediately felt that there seemed to be a problem with what he said, and sure enough, he laughed and said: "First, what we are discussing is whether the 'funeral festival' is the truth of Yao Shunyu soup?" Or are we debating whether 'thick burials and long mourning' will lead to population decay? ”

"If you want to discuss whether the 'funeral festival' is the truth of Yao Shunyu soup, then please admit defeat on this issue, and someone from our Mo family will discuss this new issue with you."

"I was arguing with you about whether the cow was black or white, but you were arguing with me that horses can run faster than oxen...... It's ridiculous. ”

After saying that, Debate 54 stood up and saluted, "Mo Bian, please argue with you about the way of the Holy King." ”

Ren Ke didn't answer, and said in his heart that it was a little difficult for me to deal with the youngest high-level figure of the ink master, so why should I seek humiliation?

I originally thought that this was a person who could deal with it, but I didn't want this person to get the essence of the Mo family's dialectic, but I didn't expect it.

When he was still thinking about the loopholes in what Shi had just said, Shi seized the opportunity to disrupt his rhythm while he was still thinking and had not yet figured it out, and said loudly: "Second, Yao Shunyu soup, isn't it for the benefit of the world?" In the past, there was a Chao clan who taught people to build houses in order to avoid wild beasts, so if you want to be a saint now, do you have to build houses? Or can't those who don't build houses be called holy kings? ”

"In the past, Emperor Shun used the plough to farm, is it true that people today do not use the plough and use new agricultural tools to disobey the way of the holy king?"

"Everything the Holy King does is for the benefit of the world. Just as you eat so that you don't starve, you can eat rice, you can eat millet, you can eat wheat. If you have wheat but no rice in your hand, but you say that the Holy King only eats rice, so you are starving, then the Holy King will only think that you are stupid, and not praise you for obeying the way of the Holy King. ”

"The act of abandoning the world to pursue the Holy King is like abandoning the jewels and leaving behind the jewels, which is ridiculous."

"In ancient times, when the foolish people saw the birds flying, they only thought of catching them with ropes; And when Dayu sees the bird flying, he will think of the bird. Nowadays, because of Dayu's education, stupid people also know how to use birds to cultivate fields; But if Dayu is still here, will he still choose Yuntian? ”

On the contrary, if he is still alive now, Dayu will choose to catch it with a rope and instead plant two crops of rice to prevent it from being eaten by birds. Could it be that Dayu used ropes to catch birds, and Dayu also became dull? ”

"I heard a story about a Chu man who crossed the river with a sword, and when the sword fell into the water, he made a mark on the boat. When they asked him why he didn't go to the mark, he said that the sword had fallen from the mark, and that it was all right if he got to the shore and fished it under the mark. Isn't it true that those who pursue those who have the original rules and think that they cannot be changed are as stupid as this Chu people? ”

The Chu envoys on the side were a little reluctant to listen to this, at this time, the state of Chu was extremely strong, and it was not when he just claimed to be a barbarian and disobeyed Zhou, so people in the world rarely joked about the state of Chu.

The joke about carving the boat and asking for a sword is also a joke that appeared after the Chu State was dying or dead, judging from the present...... When talking about jokes, it is generally mainly about the two weak countries of Song and Wei, so as not to surprise the friendly countries.

However, the Chu envoy was very satisfied with the attitude of the Mo people towards the Wei people, at least it proved that the Jiahe incident was not the Mo people who took the initiative to contact the Wei people.

In this way, perhaps the Wei people's thoughts are similar to their own.

Chu made a secret sense of luck, and also felt that the king of Chu was quite discerning, otherwise the Wei people were quick enough, and they were afraid that the form would be very bad in the future.

The king of Chu said that this was Qu Wuchen's teaching to fight in Wu and Wu Zixu to build Gusu. Originally, the envoy of Chu may not have cared, but now when he looks at Pei County, he already believes that the king of Chu has a sharp and unique vision, and this is indeed the case.

Seeing that the Wei envoy seemed to be persuaded by this young ink man, the Chu envoy also understood that I was afraid that the Mo people's concerns about collectively going out to one country could be dispelled, and the rest of the matter was to get as many things as possible that were beneficial to the Chu people on the basis that it was impossible for the Mo people to go out to one country as a whole.

The Mozi in the field praised Shi's performance, and Mozi also nodded frequently, knowing very well that Shi's statement was completely in line with Mozi's usual truth, but ...... On the question of where the truth came from, Mozi was clearly aware of the appropriate corrections.

The ink scholar is not only reasonable, but also worships ghosts and gods, so there is often a strange phenomenon: after reasoning, they make up a story, saying that the holy king also does this, and the ghosts and gods also like this.

At this time, the Holy King is the best standard in the world, and any doctrine must find a way to rely on the Holy King.

But when it comes to these things, he has always avoided how the Holy King did it, but only talked about one point: the Holy King is for the benefit of the world.

As for the practice, it is not easy to be examined, as long as it can benefit the world, it is the practice of the holy king. On the other hand, whether it can actually benefit the world or not is the only and best criterion.

If you have time, you can make up a story about the Holy King, anyway, in the era of knowledge monopoly, hundreds of these knowledgeable people are making up nonsense - a simple Chinese republic, there are four or five theories, all of which are leaning on their own doctrines.

Basically, Zhuzi Baijia is one of the earliest "historical inventors" who relied on the invention of history to prove their own theories.

Because in such an era of change, it is difficult for the old history to be directly used before discovering the hidden laws in it, so we have to make up some ancient and unexaminable stories to justify ourselves.

The appropriate is to directly skip this step of compiling history, and use the falsified "Tianzhi" and benefit the world as the highest standard.

Whether it can benefit the world or not has nothing to do with whether the Holy King has done it, but only with the results of the inference.

This is the biggest difference from the rest of the Mozi debates, and this is also an important reason why Mozi chose to be the radical of Xuanyi.

The opponent can refute that the Holy King did not do this, but he cannot refute that the Holy King is not for the benefit of the world. And according to the principles after the integration of Mohe and Shishi, it seems that it is difficult to lose.

Today's Ren Ke is the first time to understand this kind of Mohist debate after integration, which is extremely unsuitable and extremely difficult to refute with his quick wit.

It feels like facing a high mountain, trying to rely on your own quick wits to collapse this mountain, but this high mountain seems to be the heaven and earth of "heaven and earth in all directions, and the universe in ancient and modern times", simple and vulgar and heavy to bear.

On this high mountain, some people need to eat if they don't starve to death, and people need parents to be born**, etc., which is so simple that it is as heavy as the world.

Seeing that Ren Ke was still pondering, he immediately continued his previous discussion: "From this point of view, the existing rule of thick burial and long mourning is harmful to the world, at least in terms of population increase. Can the people be enriched and the government governed? ”

"For a long time in the home of the prince and the mourner, the coffin must be multi-layered, the burial must be deep, the clothes of the deceased must be many, the embroidery accompanying the burial must be rich, and the tomb must be tall. When the princes died, and the treasures stored in the treasury were empty, then they decorated the bodies of the deceased with gold and jade jewels, tied them with silk ribbons, and buried the chariots and horses in the caves, and they must make many curtains, tents, bells, drums, feasts, wine jugs, mirrors, swords, feathers, ivory, and leather, and put them in the bedchamber of the deceased and bury them, and then they were satisfied. As for the burial, the martyrs killed by the Son of Heaven and the princes after their deaths were hundreds of many and dozens of few; The number of martyrs killed by generals and doctors after their deaths is more than dozens, and a few are few. ”

"For mourning, you have to be supported to get up, and you have to walk with a cane. Live this way for three years. ”

"If the farmer does according to this, he must not go out early and return late to plough and plant; If the craftsmen are to do the same, they will not be able to build ships, or chariots, or make utensils; If the woman may do the same, she will not be able to get up early and go to bed late to spin and weave linen. ”

"The property that has been formed, is buried in a coffin; It is a kind of reduction that should be produced after the mourning and does not appear because of the mourning. ”

"Therefore, from the point of view that the increase in wealth is beneficial to the world, the existing rules are also harmful to the world, while the rules of the ink are beneficial to the world."

After listening to Shi's discussion, Ren Ke actually knew that he had lost, and this kind of truth was difficult to refute at all.

But he felt that he had keenly grasped the loophole in the appropriate language, and said hurriedly: "Your words may be reasonable, but don't you think that this is contrary to the existing truth of the ink master?" ”

"I have heard that the ink master does not use curtains, bells, drums, feasts, wine jugs, mirrors, jewels, etc., as treasures or wealth. Then according to the Mo's definition of treasures, it is not treasures that are buried, so the wealth has not decreased. For example, the ink is not music, so when the princes and nobles are buried, they will be buried with the musical instrument bell and ding, isn't this in line with the idea of the ink is not musical? If you think that Zhong Ding instruments are wealth, then why should they be musical? ”

Standing up, he said with a kind of pride peculiar to this time: "I thought that you were sent by the Marquis of Wei and must be a smart person. Now it seems that you are too stupid to distinguish between wealth and treasure, and I have difficulty communicating with you. ”

Ren Ke's face darkened, but he had no choice but to say, "Ask for advice." ”

"In the past, Zi was rarely jade, and he took righteousness as a treasure; The king of Chu Zhizhuang will never hesitate to be light, he does not take Meiji as a treasure but takes people's hearts as a treasure...... Treasure is different in everyone's eyes, but wealth can be defined. ”

"The product of all men's labor is wealth. Isn't the bell the result of human labor? Since it is, then of course this is wealth. ”

"The wealth of the world, as long as you calculate the total amount of all the things in the world that have condensed labor, you can know whether the wealth has increased or decreased."

"Gold is more valuable than copper, simply because it takes more work to smelt gold than to smelt copper. Labor, like the grains of rice in a bowl of rice, produces wealth and measures wealth. Name a thing that does not require labor but is wealth. ”

Ren Ke burst out laughing and said, "Miao! Land is wealth. but they did not see the labor of men. ”

He asked, "The land has existed since the beginning of the heavens, and there is no wealth without people." Originally, there was no planting of anything, only grass; A few years ago, people planted one crop a year; Today, Pei County grows two crops a year. So is it labor that produces wealth? Or does the land produce wealth? ”

Ren Ke seemed to understand a little, but he still asked, "Isn't the king increasing his wealth by opening up thousands of miles of land?" ”

Shi laughed and said, "The sea is boundless, why don't you see the king taking it as wealth?" Thousands of miles to the north, vast and uninhabited, is it possible that the wealth of Yan Country is the most? The king's wealth has increased over a thousand miles, but it is created by a man who is a thousand miles away. Besides, the land belongs to the laborers of the world, so why should the king say that it is his? The laborer uses the land to produce food, but if there is no one to work, the land is the land. Is the land that has been cultivated for years the same as the wasteland? ”

"The king said, "The land is his, so those who are in the land are to pay taxes, but is the king's wealth a tax or the land?" The king only deprived the people of the right to cultivate the land, but gave the people the right to collect their taxes...... It's like I robbed you of all your money and gave you another ten dollars and you have to thank me. ”

"The wealth of a king is not the land, but the taxes and conscription that can be collected from the land. If it is said that the king of Chu is willing to give the land of Chu to the Marquis of Wei, but does not allow the Marquis of Wei to collect taxes, levy and other powers, and simply gives him land, then is this wealth? ”

This time when he was going to be killed in the Ming and Qing dynasties, there was no danger in saying it at this time, and Ren Ke even felt that there was some truth, and he was not surprised. Yang Zhu, Mo Zhai, and Zhong Ni are spitting all day long, and the princes and nobles they scold are either bastards or scum, and the king can't take care of them at this time.

Shi Gao shouted: "Haven't you understood yet? If you still need me to continue to explain the impact of heavy burials and long mournings on political affairs? ”

Ren Ke thought about it for a long time, and was drunk again, knowing that it was pointless to argue any longer, so he had to convince him: "I understand your reasoning, and I know that your reasoning is right." ”

He got up, bowed to the rest of the Mo and Mo Zhai, and said, "I have heard a lot of the truth of the Mo Scholar, but I think that your truth may be right, but it cannot be practiced in the world. ”

"If it's right, do you have to do it? For example, I was persuaded by your reasoning, but Wei Hou allowed me to be a daughter, a good horse, a beautiful woman, and a jewel...... Although I think your reasoning is right, I can't give up those precious jewels, so even if the reasoning is correct, it is useless. Mr. Mo Zhai, you have been doing righteousness for decades, and there are only hundreds of ink people around you, is it because your reasoning is wrong? If the truth is correct, then you can do it all over the world, how can there be only hundreds of people around you? ”

"So, please consider that the only way for you to benefit the world is to enter the Wei Dynasty. Your reasoning is right, your rules can also benefit the world, but if the rules are not changed today, then the world will remain the same, and if you don't change the rules but use skills, this is still good for the world. ”

When Shi was about to refute it, Mozi laughed, restrained his usual dialect, and said in a very pure common language: "Shi has just said that the current rules are harming the world, how can you say that it is not added or subtracted?" ”

"If there is no mill, wheat is cheap. Without wheat, the mill is of no great use. Both are indispensable. ”

"The righteousness and government of the Moshi are in line with the will of heaven and the world after the emergence of these new things and techniques. Isn't it ridiculous that you have made a mark on the ship now that the ship is moving forward? ”

"For example, if you plant wheat and soy, the original winter martial arts will be abolished, which is something that even the king of the unrighteous war must consider, and it is okay to use the old rules?"

"The righteousness of the ink is in line with the righteousness of the forward, and it is also the only one that can be in line with the governance after the emergence of things such as grass and silk, oxen ploughing, etc."

"Without the righteousness of the ink, the inkman will not be a collective. Since you are righteous envoys, let me ask, can Xiong Dang and Weiss use the righteousness of the ink man? ”