Shi sorted out his thoughts for a while, and asked first: "The benefits and disadvantages can be compared." If a person wants money, then getting money is a benefit, and losing money is a harm, which is the same thing. Do you agree with that? ”

At this time, the debate of the hundred schools of thought needs to first bury the tone and dig a good pit, and the Mohists attach great importance to it.

Ren Ke didn't answer immediately, because he knew that there were many traps in the Mo family's dialectics, and after thinking about it for a long time, he felt that he couldn't find too many faults, so he had to say: "That's the case, I can agree." ”

Shi said again: "So." If the world is poor, it will be rich; If the people are few, they will be engaged in the multitude; If the crowd is chaotic, it will be done to govern it. To be able to do this, do you think that can be counted as good for the world? ”

Ren Ke nodded here, and immediately took the opportunity to say: "If you can't do this, on the contrary, you will make the world poorer, the people more and more few, and the political affairs more and more chaotic, which can be considered harmful to the world." Is that the case? ”

Because he had already set the principle of contradictory interests before, he could continue to talk about it even if he didn't ask at this time, but he needed to let Ren Ke say it himself.

If Ren Ke does not agree, it is equivalent to disagreeing with what he has agreed to before, so he has to admit it even if he does not admit it.

It seems that these words are all nonsense, but a few people such as Debate Fifty-four, Mo Zhai and others nodded secretly, and said in their hearts This time, they are already invincible.

Their eyes were sharp, and Ren Ke had not yet realized that he had fallen into the big pit dug by the Ink Maker, and after thinking about it, he also said yes.

Shi Zhengse said: "Then, let's see if the existing rules of thick burial and long mourning can benefit the world." Let's first see if the people are few and whether the number of people can increase. ”

"Now the country is governed by the principle of thick burial and long mourning, and the king dies and serves three years of mourning; When the parents died, they served three years of mourning, and when their eldest son died, they both served three years of mourning. Then the uncle, and the uncle, and the brothers, and all the sons of their own, died and mourned for a year; A close relative died and mourned for five months; Aunts, sisters, nephews, and uncles are dead, and they have been mourned for a certain number of months. This is an existing rule in the world, and it is also a rule that the ink is against, and this is not slander. ”

Ren Ke was just about to say that this is the foundation of benevolence and righteousness, and when a person is not filial, what will happen to him, he suddenly thinks of a question......

In what Moji just said about benefiting the world and harming the world, he did not talk about morality, but only used the three criteria of wealth increase, population growth, and political governance to pacify.

If he wants to say that this is the basis of benevolence and righteousness, Ren Ke knows that this is tantamount to admitting defeat on this topic, but turning to a new debate on the basis of benevolence and righteousness.

He listened to Shi's words hard, and he already realized in his heart that he seemed to have fallen into a trap from the beginning, and he couldn't help but be on guard, and only waited for Shi to say something wrong, and then refuted.

But I can't refute it now, because Shi just told me about the current atmosphere of thick burials and long mourning, which is a fact. Facts cannot be refuted, only conclusions drawn from facts.

Drawing on the examples already given, he said, "What are the consequences of a long mourning like this? ”

"It makes people thin, dark-colored, with unintelligent ears, not bright eyes, and weak hands and feet, so they can't do things."

Some people even say that the upper class of scholars have to stand up and walk with crutches. Live this way for three years. ”

Then, according to these long-lost rules, the people could not bear the cold in winter and the scorching heat in summer, and they might starve to death during the funeral, and the fields would be barren and flee after the funeral. It can be said that it is innumerable. ”

"I don't want to ** when it's cold, I don't want to ** when it's hot, I don't want to ** when I'm hungry, I don't want to ** when I'm fleeing and panic."

"In doing so, it will inevitably damage a lot of the ** between men and women."

Therefore, the pursuit of population increase by means of heavy burial and long-term mourning is like making people bend down on the edge of the sword and seek longevity. Instead of achieving this, population growth will lead to a decrease in population. ”

"Since population growth is good for the world, population decline is bad for the world."

Therefore, if the current system and customs do not change, it is actually harming the world. So isn't the morality of the ink scholar meaningless for the benefit of the world? ”

Ren Ke never expected that he would discuss the question of population increase or decrease from the perspective of the impact of mourning on men and women...... Can this kind of thing be so straightforward and vulgar?

But he didn't know that the discussion of this kind of thing has always been straightforward within the Moshi, and the so-called "there are many friends between men and women".

What's more, the reason why some major countries directly criticize the wars is that "the perennial conscription of soldiers to go to war leads to less gathering and more separation between husband and wife, and there is no chance of ** at all, which will reduce the population by ......"

This is neither etiquette nor morality, but directly speaks for specific reasons, which is straightforward and difficult to refute.

Where did Ren Ke think of what the ink man would say, and after thinking about it for a long time, he felt that if he followed the ink man's set, he would definitely have to wrap himself in, so he could only find a way to kill the right sharp qi first.

After thinking for a long time, he deliberately said angrily: "I heard people say that the ink man has his own benevolence and righteousness. And when it comes to the people here, they treat the people as beasts and talk about their **, isn't this something that Yidi can do? Is it true that seeing people as beasts and things is the benevolence of the Mo? ”

"When a farmer plants, he will sow seeds in the ground, and then say that he can harvest a lot in autumn, does the ink man regard the people of the world as the grain planted by the farmer?"

"I can't talk to you anymore, it's insulting. Man is not a beast and cannot be considered that way. ”

Shi snorted and asked rhetorically, "If you violated the prohibition of killing people, and I said that you killed people, then do you think I am insulting you?" ”

"If the king of today fights today, conquers tomorrow and recruits the palace the day after tomorrow, doesn't he treat people as beasts? To feed the animals, you still need to prepare your own food to feed, but the people of the world need to grow their own and then be recruited, which in the eyes of the king, they are not even as good as animals. ”

"You say that the ink man talks about **, then it is not to look at people as human beings. So aren't people **? If people are **, and ** is the only way to increase population, then isn't it as ridiculous to talk about population increase without talking about ** as talking about planting but not about land and seeds? ”

"Besides, I'm arguing with you with the world you understand, because I understand the world you understand, and you can't understand the world that we ink people understand. Do you need to learn from us what the Mohist thinks is the world that benefits the world? ”

When Ren Ke didn't know how to answer, he asked anxiously, "Doesn't Wei Hou want Wei's population to increase?" ”

Ren Ke shook his head and said, "Not really." ”

"So don't Wei people need their parents' ** when they are born?"

"Not really."

"Then I don't know why you think that the ink man talks about **, and treats people as animals and goods."

Ren Ke muttered, "It's just that no one has ever said that." ”

"No one has ever said that wheat can be grown in winter, so don't you know that winter wheat has been harvested in Peixian? Does someone have to say it to be reasonable? ”

Ren Ke thought for a long time, was silent for a long time, and finally admitted the Mo's statement in his heart...... Although vulgar to a certain level, the real can no longer be true.

That's how the population increases, but no one has ever pointed out how to increase the population effectively.

Whether it is benevolent government or reinstatement, it seems that as long as this is done, the population will naturally increase.

But these ink writers shamelessly and uninterestingly expose these vulgar and shallow truths hidden under the big truth.

Ren Ke has never seen such a debate, not talking about the Holy King, not talking about Tang Wu, and not even talking about the Dayu respected by the Mo, but linking things like population, **, and the world with the most basic and true things.

He secretly wiped his sweat, and finally understood that the opponents he was going to debate today were completely different from those he had met before.

They are unreasonable...... But it makes sense.

It's just that the truth that the Mo scholar thinks is Tianzhi, not the way of the sage and the words of Tang Wu.

What is Celestial Chronicles?

Ren Ke thought about it for a long time and felt that he seemed to understand.

Tianzhi means that people have to rely on their mothers to give birth, and if they want to be born, they need to be **, ** need not to be hungry, not cold, not hot, have surplus wealth, and be able to get together.

At the end of the day, it is not a general, seemingly vulgar increase in population that the saints are talking about.

Instead, we need to think about how we can do it, and then analyze the reasons that affect it, and then solve those reasons.

That's the real way to solve the problem.

It's very simple. But no one has ever said it so bluntly.