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Wang Fuzhi and Liu Zongzhou fought over the issue of "strictly governing officials", which seems to be a specific issue on the surface, but in fact, it involves whether to use the Confucian "benevolence" to influence or to use the Legalists' severe punishment to deter.

In essence, it is a dispute between Confucianism and law.

More and more people joined the debate, and those who supported Liu Zongzhou's benevolence and virtue to guide the probation accounted for the majority.

Qin Mu was not surprised at all by this.

But although Wang Fuzhi is lonely, he is not completely isolated, like Xie Jinglun and others are on his side, putting facts and reasoning together, refuting opponents one by one, and trying their best to promote Qin Mu's idea of "being lenient to support the people and strict to govern the officials".

In the end, Yang Tinglin also stood up and defended Wang Fuzhi: "Your Majesty, Mr. Wang proposed to be lenient to support the people and strict to govern the officials. The minister thinks there is a reason. Although the torture of Ming Hongwu peeling the skin and filling the grass is not advisable, the ancient gentlemen are all lenient and strict with themselves. Those who are officials should have the style of such a gentleman!

Those who serve the people, even if they are treacherous, will do only a limited amount of evil. For the official to eat the king's lu, to govern one party, the responsibility is heavy, if the corruption perverts the law, it will affect one party. From this point of view, it is not an exaggeration for Bachelor Wang to advocate being lenient to support the people and strict to govern officials.

Moreover, Confucianism's self-cultivation, housekeeping, governing the country, and leveling the world are the first priority for self-cultivation. If you are a function, strictly abide by your duty and keep your body upright, why not be afraid of the strictness of the law! ”

Huang Zongxi immediately came out and said: "Your Majesty, you can use heavy rules to govern the troubled times, such as today's appeasement, the four seas are peaceful, and it is really inappropriate to govern the country with strict laws and heavy punishments."

Bachelor Wang, what Yang Shangshu said, although it is not unreasonable, but it is only suitable for the chaotic world of the government and the opposition at the end of the Ming Dynasty.

Throughout the ages. In addition to the early Ming Dynasty to govern officials with severe punishment, all dynasties are still lenient and simple, clean, light punishment, thin labor to govern the world, His Majesty Xià admired the rule of Wenjing, the rule of Zhenguan, how can it be nothing more than that? ”

Liu Zongzhou also said: "The world of Wenjing and Zhenguan is still simple and pure. The national strength and people's livelihood will soon be restored, and the national strength will be greatly increased. However, after Wenjing, there was the rebellion of the Seven Kings, and after Zhenguan, there was the rebellion of the Wu clan.

Looking at the Hongwu period in the early Ming Dynasty, strict officials, thick kings, with the skin and grass of the strict punishment of the hundred officials, to divide the rich gift to treat the kings, after Hongwu. It is inevitable that there will be King Yan Jing in the end, and he will replace the king with a minister. The loss of this way and law can be a lesson for the past, and His Majesty should not fail to take it as a warning! ”

Qin Mu didn't say anything. Only asked in a harmonious voice: "How does Liu Eddie think we should avoid repeating the mistakes of the Han, Tang, and Ming dynasties?" ”

Liu Zongzhou immediately replied: "Your Majesty, all holy monarchs rule the world, and they must promote benevolence, righteousness and morality, and advocate the rule of virtue. Benevolent government, moral master and criminal auxiliary. For the monarch, he should abide by the scriptures and use his power, and discipline himself and others. Inspired by morality, the people of the world are brought to their hearts with the royal way. Only in this way can the world be in order, and the farmers and industrialists will be safe, and the country and the people will be safe. ”

Speaking of which, after all, it is back to the dispute between Confucianism, Taoism, and Law.

Wang Fuzhi hated Confucianism for talking about benevolence and righteousness and not emphasizing practice.

Seeing that Liu Zongzhou blindly emphasized benevolence, righteousness and morality, and avoided pragmatism, he immediately retorted: "What Liu Bianxiu said is biased, as far as the beginning of the Ming Dynasty is concerned, Ming Taizu set eight shares, emphasized Zhu Cheng Lixue, monarchs and ministers, fathers and sons, respected the elders and the young, and said that the principle of morality and morality is more than that of previous dynasties, isn't it a matter of King Yan killing the king with his ministers?" ”

"That's Ming Taizu's harsh punishment and cruel law, and it is not benevolent."

"However, Wenjing and Zhenguan are not benevolent?"

"Wenjing and Zhenguan have not lost their benevolence, but they have lost their outline."

The heated debate has been carried out at this point, and it sounds like Wang Fuzhi has fallen to the upper hand, but he is still full of confidence, which makes people a little confused.

I saw him shake his clothes and say loudly: "According to what Liu Bianxiu said, as long as he is benevolent and republic, there will be no rebellion?" ”

"Yes!" Liu Zongzhou replied loudly, not evading.

Wang Fuzhi smiled and asked: "Listening to what Liu Bianxiu said, I don't deny that the Hong Dynasty once emphasized normality, but it was just out of benevolence. ”

"Yes!"

However, Liu Bianxiu said before that during the Hongwu period, strict hundred officials, thick kings, treated hundreds of officials with the harsh law of peeling skin and filling grass, and treated the kings with rich gifts. It can be seen that the benevolence of Ming Taizu is thinner than that of hundreds of officials, not kings.

He treats the kings with great grace and benevolence. In other words, Hongwu treats the kings with both a regular outline and benevolence, but the one who rises up to rebel is precisely the king of Yan. ”

Wang Fuzhi's rebuttal was indeed wonderful, and he was speechless to refute the master-level Liu Zongzhou, and he couldn't answer for a while.

Wang Fuzhi took a victorious attitude, hugged the circle and waved it to Qin Mu, and said Lang Lang: "Your Majesty, it can be seen that benevolence, re-emphasizing the norm, and guiding the people to goodness should be pursued by this solid people." However, relying on benevolence, righteousness and morality alone is not enough to ensure the stability of the society and the peace of the century. ”

Wang Fuzhi did not completely deny Confucianism, but he emphasized Legalism more and used the legal system to determine a qiē.

Of course, his central idea is still "to support the people with leniency and to govern officials strictly".

In other words, his thinking is to treat the people, and to be lenient and benevolent. However, in the rule of officials, it is proposed to use strict laws to restrain them, so as to clear the rule of officials.

In his opinion, no matter how bad a person is, the damage he can do is limited.

And if an official is bad, it is a scourge.

In his heart, Qin Mu admires his concept of governing the country very much.

But Qin Mu also knows that a monarch cannot be too idealistic, and the basis of the monarch's rule is in the officials and not in the people.

If you treat officials too harshly, you will inevitably shake the foundation of your rule.

In the life of Hongwu, he handed over all the military power to his son, and the military power controlled by the officials was limited, and no one could rebel if he applied severe punishment.

But now that he has a son of Qin Ye, if he does it like Emperor Hongwu, it is hard to imagine the consequences.

Therefore, although Wang Fuzhi's way of governing the country is good, it is somewhat out of place, and it needs to be stabilized in the country, and it can only be implemented after the orthodoxy of Great Qin is deeply rooted in the hearts of the people.

With the idea of the rule of law, Shang Ying also said a passage: The law is in perversion to control chaos. The law is perverted to control chaos, and there are many good words. To govern the chaos of the country, there are many words and weak soldiers. Fa Meiji Province, Ren Li said. Govern the province and the country, and speak and be strong. Therefore, the rule is big, and the country is small; To govern the small, the benevolent people of the country can be benevolent to others, but cannot make people benevolent. The righteous can love others, but cannot make them love. Yes, benevolence and righteousness are not enough to rule the world! Therefore, murder is not violent, and leniency is not benevolent.

Qin Mu personally thinks that this is definitely a very classic.

Those who do more say less, and those who say more do less.

It is only said that the country is not weak, and it is said that the country is strong by doing more and doing less.

These theories are really a slap in the face of Confucianism, and most of the Confucians have a thousand words on their lips, but they have no plan in their chests, and they blindly emphasize benevolence, righteousness, and morality, which is easy to become hypocritical.

Murder is not violent, and leniency is not benevolent. The way of the merchant monarch, in the final analysis, is benevolent or not.

Of course, the government itself is hypocritical.

So, you can't say that Confucianism is good.

There are things you can do, but you can't say. In all dynasties, benevolence, righteousness and virtue were emphasized, but in fact, the ruling country was supported by Legalism.

Like Wang Fuzhi, who clearly proposed the rule of law, Qin Mu would not clearly express his support for him.

Of the more than 200 people who participated in the feast, only a few expressed their support for him.

On the contrary, it attracted a lot of siege.

The biggest characteristic of Confucianism is that it can speak, quote scriptures, and talk endlessly.

Fortunately, Xie Jinglun inherited Li Zhen's doctrine, and Li Zhen can also be regarded as a materialist and pays attention to reality, so Xie Jinglun has always stood on the side of Wang Fu and worked together to fight Qunlun;

Of course, not everyone rejects Wang Fuzhi's learning, and officials like Yang Tinglin think that his theory of governing the country is more lenient than others and strict with himself.

In addition, not all the people present were Confucians, Fu Qingzhu, who admired Taoism's inaction, and Gu Yanwu, who opposed Zhu Cheng's science, all had their own polemics.

Above the feast, the fierceness of the debate is really moving.

Qin Mu was very emotional when he saw it, if Xu Guangqi was not dead, and he "took mathematics as the basis of other natural sciences and engineering", and debated together, it would be even more interesting.

Well, Qu Shiyun also admires Western learning, and he has been persuaded by Wang Fuzhi to join Daqin.

It seems that it is okay to invite Qu Fangyun, the Western school faction, to come to the debate!

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PS: Alas, the more I write, the less confident I become, why is it so lonely? What about everyone's monthly pass, no one supports it!

Ask for a commuter pass!

Ask for a commuter pass! (To be continued......)