At this time, Liu Jiwen didn't dare to say anything, but others raised objections.

"Lord Chu, the people are the people after all, no matter how they are, how dare they be enemies of the official family? Even if it is the worst outcome, if they are ruled by force, everything will be fine, could it be that they can still defeat the heroes of the Holy Dynasty?"

The official apparently didn't take Chu Xian's 'threat' seriously.

Chu Xian smiled, glanced at the official who spoke, and said: "This is Lord Xu of the Ministry of War, right? I know that you are good at using soldiers, and your strategy is also high, yes, no matter how much those big landlords toss, the ultimate dominance is in the hands of the officials, but Xu Ka people have ever thought about what the consequences will be if they use military force? The world is in turmoil, the government can establish authority, but there is no trust, the people have a scale in their hearts, to change their trust again, I am afraid that after a generation, more than 30 years, or even 50 or 60 years, there can be a better way, why break it and stand up? ”

Lord Xu has been persuaded a lot, but he is still a little unconvinced, and he raised his head and said: "Those big landlords are not stupid, why do they want to make trouble while they have a good life? ”

Chu Xian laughed: "In this world, where is there so much truth to speak of? As everyone knows, the first assistant Confucian once said that people are stupid and think less, and they need to be wise with books, educate with etiquette, restrain with law, and establish virtue with reason; People are greedy, born to pursue profits, their nature is difficult to change, they are greedy for greed, and nine times out of ten, they are stupid and greedy. Lord Xu, if you can really restrain the people of the world with etiquette and morality alone, what is the use of the criminal law, and what is the use of the law?"

This Lord Xu is not stupid, he can achieve the official position of the fifth grade, no one is a fool, at this moment he tasted the words of Chu Xian, and he bowed his hand at the moment, which can be described as respectful, and then he said: "Lord Chu is high-minded and taught." ”

After saying that, he honestly retreated.

Chu Xian's words just now not only persuaded Lord Xu, but also other officials nodded frequently.

Chu Xian hit the railway while it was hot at this time: "Therefore, to eradicate hidden dangers, it is necessary to abolish private ownership of land, at least to restrain it, such as a household's land cannot exceed 100 acres, and to ensure that half of the people of a land have land, so that it can last for a long time and be safe." ”

When this matter is talked about, in fact, most officials have already agreed.

After all, most of the officials of the court are knowledgeable and far-sighted, and many of them originally wanted to reform, but they did not have this ability and power, and what Chu Xian said at this moment was justified and well-founded, and of course they began to approve.

Even some neutral people, even those who opposed it at the beginning, are all leaning on Chu Xian at this moment.

At this time, Li Yuanming spoke.

Liu Jiwen couldn't count on it, Li Yuanming knew that Chu Xian had already scared Liu Jiwen just now, as for the other people under him, although there were also sharp-toothed and eloquent people, to be honest, none of them could wrestle with Chu Xian, from this point of view, Chu Xian was indeed qualified to enter the Shoufu Pavilion.

It stands to reason that in the current situation, Li Yuanming, as Shang Shuling, should be relieved, at least to give Chu Xian a certain amount of tolerance and encouragement.

But Li Yuanming just doesn't like this Chu Xian.

In addition, he has another reason, Li Yuanming and their Li family are in the state, that is, the big landlord in Chu Xian's mouth, how many fields are there in the Li family, let's put it this way, the entire county, more than ninety percent of the fields, belong to their Li family, not to mention a hundred acres, a thousand acres.

Even if it is for the sake of his own family, Li Yuanming does not want Chu Xian's decree to be implemented, not to mention, in the years that he has served as Shang Shuling, there have been several cases of overturning and rejecting the reform of the land system.

Therefore, whether it is for public or private purposes, it is impossible for Li Yuanming to let Chu Xian succeed.

Since others can't count on it, then Li Yuanming will end up by himself.

After all, the old system has been extended for thousands of years, and there are not 10,000 but 8,000 households with more than 100 acres of cultivated land, how do you deal with it? Forcibly take back the cultivated land? I am afraid that it will be unacceptable to anyone, if you want to enforce it, it will inevitably cause trouble, but if you don't attack them, okay, then how can the later people balance? In this world, people do not suffer from widowhood and unevenness, don't you Chu Shilang understand this truth? You don't want to think about how many sages of the Holy Dynasty have been in the past thousands of years, and you are the only one who can see the problem? Hmph, it's not that I can't see it, but it's difficult to really reform, it's because the actual situation doesn't allow it, so it's better to extend the existing system, and then strictly manage it, and if the system can be maintained for thousands of years and there are no problems, it means that there are not so big drawbacks, Chu Shilang, no matter how you say it, what you said before is a bit exaggerated. ”

This is the first time that Li Yuanming has reprimanded his subordinate officials in a place like the court meeting, and it stands to reason that his status should not be ended, because officials of this level either do not speak, or they must have an effect. But now, Li Yuanming can't control it so much, he has to contain Chu Xian, and in his opinion, he can completely do this.

Let's just say that the question he raised can be said to hit the pain point, to be honest, some of the things Li Yuanming said are not false, just talk about the problem of this system, he has naturally thought about it, but obviously, he can't think of a way to deal with it at all, as he said before, there is no perfect solution in the world.

Any method has to pay a corresponding price, and in his opinion, paying such a huge price is only to eliminate a system of private ownership of land, and some of the gains outweigh the losses, of course, it is also because of his own interests that he will eliminate in this way, so he will maintain the status quo and not allow others to reform.

Li Yuanming is well aware of the danger of officialdom, and whoever does this kind of thing is equivalent to standing on the opposite side of many officials of the Holy Dynasty, even most of them.

Whose officials don't have their families, and whose families don't have fields?

Basically, most of the officials' family members were big landlords, and they were all 'victims' of the elimination of private ownership of land, and they were enemies of most of the officials of the Holy Dynasty. Only a stunned young man like Chu Xian would touch this 'forbidden area' like a brainless fool.

In this way, of course, it is necessary to prevent it, and of course it is necessary to oppose it.

The court meeting was quiet at the moment, waiting for Chu Xian to respond to Shang Shuling's question, what Li Yuanming said was very 'measured', and it was very reasonable, his concerns were well-founded, it depended on how Chu Xian solved this most critical problem.

To tell the truth, there are so many officials at the court, and few people can really come up with a solution to this problem, and even if they come up with it, after weighing the pros and cons, there are almost no people who can really pass it and implement it.

Chu Xian was obviously prepared, otherwise, he would not dare to propose reform at the court meeting.

"What Shang Shuling has been afraid about is indeed justified and true. Chu Xian first recognized, especially when facing Shangguan, he had to bow his posture, after all, refuting Shangguan and refuting Liu Jiwen at the same level are not the same thing, this kind of thing, etiquette and respect must not be less, otherwise it is easy to set yourself on fire.

And this kind of time is also the most test of a person's officialdom quality.

"However, Xia Guan already has a magic method. After Chu Xian finished speaking, many officials secretly said in their hearts, sure enough, agree first, and then 'but', this is a common routine, and they will too.

But the point is the words after 'but', and anyone can use the routine, but the key is whether the later words can really solve the problem.

Li Yuanming also sneered in his heart, he wanted to hear what Chu Xian planned to do.

"It is indeed difficult to eliminate the private ownership of land, especially to break the inherent concepts and interests of thousands of years, so this matter must be distributed, and the law should be determined first, and the land does not belong to individuals, but can be used by individuals, so it can be understood that from now on there is only one landlord in the Holy Dynasty, that is, the Holy Dynasty itself, and all other people are tenants. ”

Hearing this, many officials were stunned, showing surprise, and some even muttered to themselves: "This method is a good trick." ”

Obviously, the idea is quite novel.

This is the first and most important step, so that in the future, in accordance with the law, the right to use the land, such as the land of the government, can be recovered in an emergency, or by any justification, by which the land can be recovered. But if it is only like this, it will definitely trigger a civil uprising, after all, it is to move the interests of others, it is like cutting meat, and no one will be happy to change it, so at this time, it needs to be exchanged for silver, which is called a repurchase, which can also be understood as the official family pays money to buy back the land. ”

After Chu Xian finished speaking, an official of the household department shook his head: "Lord Shilang, do you know how much money this must be? Even if the household department is hollowed out, and even the military silver is used, I am afraid it will not be enough." ”

Li Yuanming said even more coldly: "Chu Shilang, your buyback policy, to be honest, some people have proposed it in the early years, but who has so much silver? According to the current market price, buying back the cultivated land in various states is definitely a sky-high price, this is the method you came up with? It's just whimsical." ”

Obviously, Li Yuanming felt that he had found Chu Xian's most fatal loophole, indeed, the government paid to buy back the fields in the hands of those large landlords, and then distributed them to the people who did not have fields, this is indeed a good way, but the problem is that the gold and silver needed are simply bottomless pits, even if the gold and silver of the entire Holy Dynasty are collected, it may not be enough. This point is best understood by the Ministry of Households, so the first person to speak just now was also an official of the Ministry of Households. And Chu Xian, as the left servant of the household department, actually put forward such a 'naïve' and 'ignorant' idea, Li Yuanming felt that he could take this opportunity to shake Chu Xian's official position, or drive him out of the household department, or drive him out of the first auxiliary pavilion.

Either way, it's a big win.