Book friends chatter: literati and martial artists

Let's also talk about the literati and warriors.

Where is the money, the brother said that the martial arts are the tools of the literati......

That was based on the fact that the ruler was a literati.

And for now, the ruler is the Son of Heaven.

Both literati and warriors were tools of the Son of Heaven.

A tool for domination.

Of course, the literati and the warriors had their own interests, and each had their own groups.

The game of different interests between the literati, the warriors, and the Son of Heaven was the cause of the internal political struggle.

The wise Son of Heaven would grasp the different interests of the literati and the warriors, so as to use each other and control each other. In his eyes, martial artists and literati were equally important, and their status was equal.

If the warrior is placed under the literati, or the literati are placed under the warrior, it is a sign that the Son of Heaven has lost control of the government......

In such a situation, the Son of Heaven was only a tool in the hands of literati or warriors...... When the conditions are ripe, the Son of Heaven will be replaced by them. Such historical events are endless.

Just like where does the money come from, the United States will be an example.

The military is legally subordinate to the president. Directly subordinate to the Ministry of Defense. Operational requirements related to military personnel, or instructions on the strategy, tactics, and tactics of the army. It is up to the president or the Department of Defense to make the request. Let the General Staff of the army go to deploy.

Note that there is a procedural issue here. Not everyone can make changes or adjustments directly. The institutions with power are a president and a ministry of defense......

And the characterization in ancient times, that is, the Son of Heaven, the Great Sima, the Great General, and the Taiwei had the power to make these adjustments.

In the case of the young age of the Son of Heaven. The eldest princess did not listen to the opinions of the great Sima, the general, and the captain, and she was arbitrary, which was originally overstepping her authority. She is an auxiliary minister, and she is also a courtier, not the Son of Heaven.

The Son of Heaven has the right to make decisions independently, but the eldest princess, as an auxiliary minister, does not have this power.

Moreover, the object she targeted was the former Great Sima General, and the Great Sima General had to say a word to her, so what had to happen......

If there is a reason, it is okay to talk about it. But what she wants to do is to make the martial artist become a tool of the literati.

Note that it is not a tool of the Son of Heaven. And this practice directly shattered the dream of the society that the warriors of the northern Xinjiang of the Han Dynasty were determined to fight for.

It turned out that in the end, what they fought for were some self-righteous literati who had brought the social state to the brink of collapse......

At this time, since the warriors have been fighting for the society for so many years, they are facing a decisive moment of success or failure at the moment of success......

They're going to make a brazen move. In the name of the Son of Heaven, tell the whole world that they are the core force of the restoration of the Society, and they are also the great force of the Son of Heaven to rebuild the Society in the future, and they are the real force to protect the health of the Society.

A warrior can only be a tool of the Son of Heaven. And not a tool in the hands of the literati.

The different interest groups of the literati and the warriors determined that they checked each other and formed a balance with the Son of Heaven......

It is not that the warrior became the tool of the literati to check and balance the Son of Heaven, or that the literati were the tools in the hands of the warrior to check and balance the Son of Heaven......

Although it seems to be a matter of order, it is really a matter of life and death......

It was the literati who rebelled against the government and the army first, and the warriors regained the political and military under the command of Xiao Tianzi

Not to have been

Especially in that era when the power of the gate valve clan was rampant.

If the warrior becomes a tool in the hands of the literati.

Then the emperor is not far from stepping down.

You can take a look at Wang Mang Dai Han, Sima Dai Wei......

Therefore, my personal opinion is that it is wrong to say that "martial artists are tools in the hands of literati" that Qian Zai said.

It's one-sided.

Let's talk about it, the book friends said that the leopard is not the emperor, so it can only die.

My personal views are as follows:

Now it's not a question of whether he dies or not.

It's a question of whether or not you will die in the next few years.

He died at this critical moment......

Then the real big man is over......

The old Yellow Turban flag will be re-raised......

The heroes of the steppe will also gather again and move south......

The army is disheartened and will no longer be able to fight......

And the yellow turban, after proper maturity, although it will not fall quickly, will still be in trouble for the time being......

Then the Great Han will really fall into the land of no return......

The influence of the leopard can only be transferred to the Son of Heaven step by step (if he does not claim the title of emperor)......

Let all the forces have a period of preparation and adaptation.

When this period passes, his life will not affect the overall situation, but if he dies, it will still be the same trouble......

Therefore, the leopard will not be able to die in the next few years, and if it dies, the world will be in chaos.

To put it bluntly, the warriors must obey the people they must legally obey.

Not someone who works for someone or some group in the court......

And besides, in times of war.

The country is in a state of emergency.

They are literati who have to do all kinds of assistance work for the warriors.

A more serious situation is the military control of the former Soviet Union during World War II......

Everything is in the service of the military......

Of course, there have been so many stupid sons of heaven in history who cut off their arms and perished. There are also many stupid generals who surrender their identities and thus kill themselves.

Is the warrior a whole?

There are also laughing groups within the samurai.

Besides, the martial artist really doesn't understand anything as you think? That's really a joke.

Many people who are generals are not necessarily worse than many so-called literati in their ability to govern the country......

The reason why the participation of martial artists in politics is restricted to a certain extent is because of their relatively strong strength......

But the warriors in the war-torn period were the heroes of the imperial court. There must be the treatment of meritorious heroes, otherwise, others will not be blamed for the opposite purpose.

And in most cases, there are literati from the martial arts, and there are also people from the clan of the gatelords, and there are all kinds of people.

The so-called civilians and warriors participate in politics together, why can't it?

There are too many political affairs. There are also too many military matters. Military, on the other hand, involves civil ......

For example, military and civilian ......

Especially in this book, the Zhongxing of the Han Sheji was based on the ideas of the warriors in the early stage.

And now, the practices of some gate valve families have seriously affected the prosperity of the Han Society.

Warriors, their own children, must have their own rights to protect themselves.

Martial artists will definitely participate in politics. There is no doubt about this.

The questions that need to be explored are:

First, in which areas do generals participate in political power, and in which areas do generals even have the right to decide?

Second, in which areas the generals have the right to discuss politics.

Third, in which areas do generals have no right to participate......

That's the crux of the matter......

Similarly. Non-generals and officials in the court also have the following questions to be discussed:

First, in which areas do they have political participation, and in which areas do they have the right to decide?

Second, in which areas do they have the right to discuss politics?

Third, what areas do they not have the right to participate in......

I think that I have made clear what I personally think is the relationship between the so-called literati and the warriors in the court, so I will continue to express my views on this and the rest of the book......

The current incident happened because there was no such a suitable superior. Originally, there was no superior, and everyone (General Sima, the eldest princess, the prime minister and other three dukes) discussed it, and they could barely get by......

However, at present, someone has taken the initiative to provoke trouble, so it is reasonable for the knife to not cooperate.

Besides, there is a good reason for them not to cooperate, what about the order of the Son of Heaven......

What is the reason why the army only listens to leopards?

It's simple. One leads them to win battles constantly.

But the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai Cheng were thinking about how to deprive the officers of their rights. Let your people be officers and take the army into your own hands......

And the reason? It's about compromising with rebellion......

Then such an eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai Cheng are of course unbelievable.

As for the Son of Heaven, please don't confuse the Son of Heaven with the eldest princess......

Son of Heaven, he just needs Li Hong to listen to him. As for the rest, in the future, it depends on how he grasps it step by step.

If someone like the eldest princess makes others completely lose confidence in you step by step, then you can only take the blame.

As far as the current situation is concerned. It's the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai Cheng who are too much wishful thinking. In the current situation, whether they trust or distrust, the situation in the army is like that.

Rather than you use conspiracy to deprive you step by step, it is better to seriously cooperate with the implementation of the great cause of Zhongxing, and wait for the leopard to hand it over step by step, so that Xiao Tianzi can slowly receive these military powers through the leopard......

Constant suspicion will only lead to the widening of the rift and the tearing of everyone apart.

If such a conspiracy and conspiracy happens, there are more and more serious things, so that everyone feels that their lives are being trampled on.

Then when the time comes, he will really be pushed onto a rupture path involuntarily......

As far as the surname Cai is concerned, his ideals are good.

But in terms of his actual actions, he can only be a wishful and self-righteous nerd.

His superiority over scholars and disdain for warriors......

Doomed, such a person is actually a dose of poison. Wherever you put it, it's all poison.

Ideas are harmful.

Where is the money, book friends responded:

Luo, think about things at a deeper level, don't read the literal article.

The leopard is an invincible general, but can he dictate the orders of the imperial court because he has won the battle? Then the generals under him will also follow suit, which is called the upper beam is not right, and the lower beam is crooked.

In this case, the prestige of the imperial court will be gone, and the cohesion of the Han will be gone, who would believe that such an insecure imperial court, since the words of the general work, if there is something in the future, it will be reported directly to the general, anyway, the imperial court will listen to the general.

And the eldest princess you mentioned. Before the little emperor officially ascended the throne, the eldest princess was jointly elected by the literati and warriors to be the regent, which had legal effect. The eldest princess is the representative of the Son of Heaven, if she doesn't listen to the eldest princess now, will they still listen to the Son of Heaven when the wings of these warriors become harder in the future?

"You said that the Son of Heaven just needs Li Hong to listen to him." Luo, I really didn't expect such a childish sentence to pop out of your mouth.

ZTE? What is "ZTE Daye"? Stability and prosperity, no war, people do not have to leave their hometowns, and the society develops steadily, which is probably the great cause of Zhongxing. Well, these are based on having a strong government.

Now the imperial court decrees cannot be issued, and the "great cause of Zhongxing" is a joke.

Roland_Death Knight's Answer:

The leopard is an invincible general, but can he dictate the orders of the imperial court because he has won the battle? Then the generals under him will also follow suit, which is called the upper beam is not right, and the lower beam is crooked.

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Please note here: ZTE's strategy has always been proposed by him and implemented by others!! So in the beginning, he was not just a general, he was a decision-maker. He is the Great Sima General, Huo Guang's position. Think about it.

The eldest princess regent? That's wrong. The eldest princess is just a tentative representative of the imperial power. To put it bluntly, ZTE's policy was not formulated by her, nor was it implemented by her......

"You said that the Son of Heaven just needs Li Hong to listen to him." Luo, I really didn't expect such a childish sentence to pop out of your mouth.

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This is not naΓ―ve. It's wise to see the truth behind the matter.

Because if you don't believe, you have to believe.

This will not become a fact, then the Son of Heaven will definitely be abolished sooner or later. If you don't admit it, you will only kill yourself.

Believe it, at least there is a glimmer of life.

ZTE? What is "ZTE Daye"? Stability and prosperity, no war, people do not have to leave their hometowns, and the society develops steadily, which is probably the great cause of Zhongxing. Well, these are based on having a strong government.

Now the imperial court decrees cannot be issued, and the "great cause of Zhongxing" is a joke.

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Decrees of the Imperial Court?

What the eldest princess said was a decree?

What Prime Minister Cai Cheng said was a decree?

Logically speaking, and according to institutional conventions, the ruler of this court is the Great Sima General (Huo Guang of the previous dynasty).

Instead of the eldest princess and the likes of Cai Chengxiang.

Therefore, their orders do not represent the decrees of the imperial court.

And, to put it bluntly.

The reason for the troubles in the army this time was because the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai asked the generals not to interfere in politics......

And the idiotic decision of the eldest princess and Prime Minister Cai Cheng made all forces extremely dissatisfied

Even if there is no Zhang Yan, there will be other people coming out.

It's just that Zhang Yan is the most simple and powerless. Like the leopards, the ones who are doomed to death by their idiotic decisions......

So to put it bluntly, this incident could have been avoided.

It's just that the military general's right to participate in politics and discussion is unreasonably deprived, which leads to a lack of checks and balances, resulting in idiotic decrees......

To put it bluntly, it is still because of the lack of military generals to participate in politics and checks and balances in the court

The resolution of the three public is the decree.

At the time of the Great Sima General, according to the previous dynasty, before the Son of Heaven came of age, the Great Sima General issued a decree......

It is necessary and certain for military personnel to participate in the administration and discussion of state affairs.

Even if they just stand on the stake and don't take a stand.

Because of this, even if there is any decision that is unfavorable to the army, if something happens to the army, they will carry it.

You must know that the army has an accident, but it is not a joke. That's really "once the sword comes out, you won't return it if you don't see blood".

Of course, some of the power of the warriors in the court does need to be limited, but this limitation, how to limit, is a very esoteric knowledge.

It varies from person to person, from event to time......

It's good to read the response of book friends:

I was very interested in the knight's words:

"It's not naΓ―ve. It's wise to see the truth behind the matter. ”

To paraphrase a sentence, you have been brainwashed too badly by Mengzi's brilliant writing style, and you have only wisely seen the essence behind the "events" at a certain stage, but you have ignored the fundamentals of "class struggle" and "historical materialism" -- "the phased adjustment of policies brought about by the phased changes of contradictions", and thus fell into the trap of "metaphysics".

Maybe it's because the Romance of the Three Kingdoms impresses everyone too much, and Mengzi's staged summary of the overall development of history is too little. I feel that everyone seems to have forgotten the stages of historical development, and everyone has formed a kind of historical development model of "absolute checks and balances" or "absolute collapse" caused by "special events". I walked into an empiricist circle of "either the east wind overpowers the west wind or the west wind overpowers the east wind".

Don't you think the current plot is very familiar? The fruits of the victory of the Xinhai Revolution were divided among many forces, and the warlords at that time accounted for almost more than 90% of China's armed forces, and the national interests changed from the hypocritical parliamentary partition to the naked military partition later, but why did the blue sky and white sun regime succeed in the end? This only illustrates one conclusion: "None of the groups that can participate in the division of national interests is a fool, and at the end of a given historical stage, only the groups that can grasp the key trends of the social stage can succeed, and only one powerful group can monopolize the absolute majority of power." ”

Not surprisingly, the staged historical demand until the end of "The Great Han" was still the success of the armed struggle against the nationwide rebel groups, the initial completion of the unification of the territory and the realization of centralized power, and at the same time the restoration of people's livelihood and the recovery of the economy. Under such objective historical needs, it is possible only for the group of armed forces to take on the main character and accomplish this goal. It is impossible for the Shiren group to succeed in this historical period, the Shiren are not pig people, there are always wise groups that know how to wait for the peaches to ripen before picking, so the Wuren group and its spokesperson are generally safe. Moreover, the external pressure facing the current "mainstream regime" is at a very moderate moment, "not fatal, not easy". Judging from the consciousness and execution shown by the current warrior group, if there is a need for struggle, it is easy to reach a behind-the-scenes deal with some mainstream scholar groups.

In the same way, the warriors are not rough people, the current mainstream warrior forces of the Northern Xinjiang Group have basically been baptized by the "Yellow Turban Era", "Dong Zhuo Era", and "Jinyang Era", and it can be seen from Feiyan's handling of the Northern Army that there is no longer a chance for scholars to monopolize power in the world, at least the leopard generation has passed the test of blood, fire and conspiracy, and the road to power has been established, and I am very optimistic about this.

The interests of the scholars and the interests of the warriors are not as "distinct" as expressed in some episodes, especially through the recent "mutiny", which will accelerate the mutual penetration and binding of the interests of the warriors and the scholars, and there will be no so-called intensification of contradictions.

Even people of our level know what the conspiracy of the Xiangyang Group refers to, and the characters who carry the historical mission of the great era are really stupid to this extent?

The history of "The Great Han" has quietly changed behind the dizzying plot...

Leopards are fools? No, the change of dynasty requires the revolutionary mood and overall contradictions of the society to accumulate to a certain extent, that is to say, the driving force of the whole society calling for the change of dynasty must exceed a certain threshold, I remember that I once posted a post in which I said: The current "Great Han" has not yet reached the level of "losing its deer, the world will chase it together", and now the political righteousness of the world is to restore the imperial power of the Han family. It takes many stages to restore imperial power, and now is the historical stage where "martial arts" will succeed, but there is no end, so it is wise and successful for martial artists to seize this opportunity to enter the court. Don't confuse the concept that "martial arts enter politics" is not "martial arts in power", those who have political literacy and can govern the country will gradually enter the decision-making level, and the price of obtaining this pass is to shift from direct management of the army to indirect management of the army, and then from indirect management of the army to assistance in managing the army. The rest is for the children and grandchildren to worry about themselves.

In fact, to put it bluntly, what is the goal of the leopard at this stage?

1. To ensure complete victory in the counterinsurgency war, to destroy the enemy's armed groups politically and physically, and to ensure the stability of the emerging regime.

2. Ensure that the fruits of victory are not usurped, that is, to maintain the political direction of the Jinyang consensus and not be maliciously undermined or tampered with by any group.

3. Ensure the overall security of the Wuren Group and ensure that the main body of the group can enjoy the fruits of the bloody battle, and try to increase the difficulty of the future Han regime's ruling group to wipe out the Wuren Group.

Therefore, it is the only way to push some powerful warriors into the ruling group, and at the same time unite some scholars to maintain a relative balance, strengthen the implicit control over the emperor, and at the same time infiltrate the interests of the group with some scholars and the emperor.

Such an operation, judging from the overall quality of the current martial arts group, has a great possibility of success.

In fact, in the historical period at that time, the demand for the "clanization" of the warriors was quite strong, and the safest and least costly way for the scholar group to share power in the current historical period of "The Great Han" and for a long time afterwards was to participate in it and actively promote the process of "warrior ethnicity". After all, there are only a few martial artists who can enter the decision-making system, and there are dozens of counties, and the martial arts group cannot find so many martial artists to fill the number, and the leopard will not be stupid enough to do such a ridiculous move as an "Li Xuan" official.

The nationalization of a group of martial artists, the retirement of a group into the political arena, the retention of a group of military backbones, the establishment of a group of public servants, and the launching of foreign wars and the death of a group of people are an effective way to vent the pent-up violent emotions after the violent revolution.

To sum up, money made the mistake of generalizing in points. The "martial arts group" is not a single person, there are excellent people, some vulgar, some can govern the country, and some can only be a public servant. Leopard is now doing the human resources work of "career planning", rather than the "Lalang matching" package distribution work. Policies and processes can be maintained to be quite flexible. When a warrior enters the court, he is no longer a pure martial artist, and the ruling work is not divided by "literary work" and "martial arts", but is distributed according to the official position required for the ruling work and the ruling process derived from the official system.

At the same time, I think that the knight's book is too angry, and he always unconsciously uses modern historical views and values to set up the void and dynastic history of "The Great Han". In the bureau of "The Great Han", no one can do without anyone, and the outrageous capitulationism of some literati groups on the surface is actually just adding bargaining chips to the multi-party political game in the post-Luoyang era.

A hole in the view, laughing at the Fang family...

Joetrige2 Book Friend's Response:

The army is a special group, this group has violence and destruction that other political forces cannot achieve, so once the main body of the army participates in politics, no matter how the top leaders of these armies plan, it is impossible to give up the powerful violent characteristics of the army, at this point, you can look at the history of the development of the Roman Empire, once violence is used in politics, only blood remains, once the army has ideas, it is the harbinger of the demise of the country, so at any time, the army should be completely blocked out of politics.

As I said before, this is the reason why a powerful military leader like Lee will inevitably die or become emperor.

Chinese soldiers cannot understand politics, and the officials and the Vietnamese must understand politics, and if they want to ensure that the true qualities of the soldiers are good at themselves, they cannot fully participate in politics, and famous military generals in history do not die on the battlefield but die in politics.

The general has been completely mired in political disputes, and once the general's political struggle becomes weak, there is no doubt that he will use the army in his hands to strike a counterattack, and the country will have no peace.

In the previous section, General Li tried to resolve the political struggle through the violence of the army, but fortunately Fu Gan actively stopped it, otherwise, the general would have been able to become emperor himself

In ancient China, where the political structure was imperfect and there was no political and moral consensus, the army could only ensure the unity and life of the empire if it was completely in the hands of the monarch.

Yuan Kui's fallacy that martial artists can't bring disaster to the country almost made me laugh, the emperor put the country in the hands of such a nerd, no wonder it was like this!!

Now it is obvious that the capture of Luoyang and the capture of Guanzhong, there are 2/3 of the world, and it should only be a matter of time to unify the whole country, and the most critical thing at this time is to solve the political problem, first, after the reunification, the national policy to be adopted, second, after the unification, the territory of the various factions in the new empire, and third, who will do the emperor?

Historically, Cao Pi implemented the Nine Grades of Zhongzheng, reached a political compromise with the bureaucracy and scholars, and Sima usurped the empire and became the emperor himself, which successfully unified the country.

The current struggle has shown a characteristic, that is, the great fear of the warriors and bureaucrats for the warriors, which is very obvious, even if the general wants to be the emperor himself, maybe he has to solve these military leaders, so the road in front of the general is very narrow, that is, how do the warriors take off their robes and go to politics?

Although the general took every opportunity to squeeze the warriors into the political arena, it is a pity that the true colors of the warriors remain unchanged for one day, and all the bureaucratic forces cannot and dare not accept the warriors into politics, unless the emperor himself is a warrior with a huge military centripetal force!

Therefore, I think there is only one way to write in the end, all the warriors completely give up all the rights of the army, and all go home to farm, Zhang Yan said it well, this generation should be content when it reaches this point, and then take a step, it is not a question of whether it can stand, but whether it can survive!

Everyone looks at General Li may be very aggrieved, in fact, in history, even Cao Cao is very aggrieved, once these individual scholars and bureaucrats adopt a non-violent and non-cooperative attitude, any powerful person is very aggrieved, or Li Wei's wife can see clearly, in that era, there were only those scholars, so many officials If you don't let them do it, no one will do it! And the protΓ©gΓ©s, the party is the same and different, and it is the characteristic of that era, so the power of the bureaucracy is unimaginable. Therefore, many kings in later generations were opposed to forming factions, party strife, or so-called protΓ©gΓ©s.

The general still wants to edown, it is best to bypass the imperial power, and strive to make unilateral peace with the nobles and bureaucrats, so that as long as the little emperor is in power, there will be no care, and these traditional nobles can be killed.